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This forum is part of our mission to promote the preservation of vintage computers through education and outreach. (In real life we also run events and have a museum.) We encourage you to join us, participate, share your knowledge, and enjoy.

This forum has been around in this format for over 15 years. These rules and guidelines help us maintain a healthy and active community, and we moderate the forum to keep things on track. Please familiarize yourself with these rules and guidelines.


Remain civil and respectful

There are several hundred people who actively participate here. People come from all different backgrounds and will have different ways of seeing things. You will not agree with everything you read here. Back-and-forth discussions are fine but do not cross the line into rude or disrespectful behavior.

Conduct yourself as you would at any other place where people come together in person to discuss their hobby. If you wouldn't say something to somebody in person, then you probably should not be writing it here.

This should be obvious but, just in case: profanity, threats, slurs against any group (sexual, racial, gender, etc.) will not be tolerated.


Stay close to the original topic being discussed
  • If you are starting a new thread choose a reasonable sub-forum to start your thread. (If you choose incorrectly don't worry, we can fix that.)
  • If you are responding to a thread, stay on topic - the original poster was trying to achieve something. You can always start a new thread instead of potentially "hijacking" an existing thread.



Contribute something meaningful

To put things in engineering terms, we value a high signal to noise ratio. Coming here should not be a waste of time.
  • This is not a chat room. If you are taking less than 30 seconds to make a post then you are probably doing something wrong. A post should be on topic, clear, and contribute something meaningful to the discussion. If people read your posts and feel that their time as been wasted, they will stop reading your posts. Worse yet, they will stop visiting and we'll lose their experience and contributions.
  • Do not bump threads.
  • Do not "necro-post" unless you are following up to a specific person on a specific thread. And even then, that person may have moved on. Just start a new thread for your related topic.
  • Use the Private Message system for posts that are targeted at a specific person.


"PM Sent!" messages (or, how to use the Private Message system)

This forum has a private message feature that we want people to use for messages that are not of general interest to other members.

In short, if you are going to reply to a thread and that reply is targeted to a specific individual and not of interest to anybody else (either now or in the future) then send a private message instead.

Here are some obvious examples of when you should not reply to a thread and use the PM system instead:
  • "PM Sent!": Do not tell the rest of us that you sent a PM ... the forum software will tell the other person that they have a PM waiting.
  • "How much is shipping to ....": This is a very specific and directed question that is not of interest to anybody else.


Why do we have this policy? Sending a "PM Sent!" type message basically wastes everybody else's time by making them having to scroll past a post in a thread that looks to be updated, when the update is not meaningful. And the person you are sending the PM to will be notified by the forum software that they have a message waiting for them. Look up at the top near the right edge where it says 'Notifications' ... if you have a PM waiting, it will tell you there.

Copyright and other legal issues

We are here to discuss vintage computing, so discussing software, books, and other intellectual property that is on-topic is fine. We don't want people using these forums to discuss or enable copyright violations or other things that are against the law; whether you agree with the law or not is irrelevant. Do not use our resources for something that is legally or morally questionable.

Our discussions here generally fall under "fair use." Telling people how to pirate a software title is an example of something that is not allowable here.


Reporting problematic posts

If you see spam, a wildly off-topic post, or something abusive or illegal please report the thread by clicking on the "Report Post" icon. (It looks like an exclamation point in a triangle and it is available under every post.) This send a notification to all of the moderators, so somebody will see it and deal with it.

If you are unsure you may consider sending a private message to a moderator instead.


New user moderation

New users are directly moderated so that we can weed spammers out early. This means that for your first 10 posts you will have some delay before they are seen. We understand this can be disruptive to the flow of conversation and we try to keep up with our new user moderation duties to avoid undue inconvenience. Please do not make duplicate posts, extra posts to bump your post count, or ask the moderators to expedite this process; 10 moderated posts will go by quickly.

New users also have a smaller personal message inbox limit and are rate limited when sending PMs to other users.


Other suggestions
  • Use Google, books, or other definitive sources. There is a lot of information out there.
  • Don't make people guess at what you are trying to say; we are not mind readers. Be clear and concise.
  • Spelling and grammar are not rated, but they do make a post easier to read.
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    Forum not reporting file size uploads properly. Endless editing. Neat.
    Last edited by liqmat; April 16, 2021, 12:32 AM.

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      How do I mark new topics as "read"

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        I find it odd that all Avatars now have a white border around them. I guess it's not a big deal, but I am not a huge fan.

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          Up the top, where it says Forums Blogs Articles etc, Groups occurs twice. Each one points to different things though. Can they get unique names?

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            Random thought here.
            If the Rants section has been closed now for several years, what was the point of carrying it over? This would be a good chance to mark it invisible for non-moderators/administrators since you can't exactly delete an entire subforum and expect nothing to explode but you can hide it as part of an upgrade since there's nothing we can do with it anymore anyways.
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              How can I mark all the messages as read? I used it often on the previous forum.
              WTB: Case for Altair 8800 ...... Rolands Github projects

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                Originally posted by Roland Huisman View Post
                How can I mark all the messages as read? I used it often on the previous forum.
                You have to go back to the front page! it says "mark channels read" Its at the Bottom. I think its a pain in the bottom.
                Dave
                G4UGM

                Looking for Analog Computers, Drum Plotters, and Graphics Terminals

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                  Originally posted by Erik View Post
                  This is a thread to discuss the new forums. The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.

                  Please keep it civil and try to help each other find stuff that may have moved.

                  Thanks!
                  Finding it hard to be civil when so much is a pain. Now found out you don't see location of poster, so it needs to be in post. Instead we get useless facebook and tweet buttons....
                  Dave
                  G4UGM

                  Looking for Analog Computers, Drum Plotters, and Graphics Terminals

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                    I find myself using the forum much less now as I cant find anything in the same way I used to. It just seems a jumbled mess and was not as organized as before. Shame.

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                      You can see the poster's location by clicking on his name.

                      I assume the row of white bars above the Join Date should light up depending on the number of posts made, something like Ranks. But it doesn't work.

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                        It is a little disorienting at first, but it does seem to work better with my phone. Except if I make the mistake of trying to add a photo from photo album? It takes me to the empty album screen and then holds me there forever.

                        I wasn't a major fan of the old forum software.. I did msg a lot from my phone and my phone could make it a challenge sometimes to post anything. I always blamed that on my phone though. I've not tried this from desktop yet but I'll give it a try shortly.

                        One weird thing.. I attempted to send a photo to the forum to see if size limits were any different. On the first try it informed me that the limit for photos is 2mb. When I went and found a photo just under that limit it told me the limit was 256kb.

                        Anyway.. appreciate the efforts of the admins nonetheless.

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                          Originally posted by NeXT View Post
                          Random thought here.
                          If the Rants section has been closed now for several years, what was the point of carrying it over? This would be a good chance to mark it invisible for non-moderators/administrators since you can't exactly delete an entire subforum and expect nothing to explode but you can hide it as part of an upgrade since there's nothing we can do with it anymore anyways.
                          I disagree with this, as there are some useful bits of information in there.

                          Now, if anyone comes across any specific old post that might really be "problematic" somehow, you can still report it and the mods can still do something about that.

                          Sigh. If we could just get rid of those "share" and "tweet" buttons, and that "like" icon, then at least this forum might look like a place for intelligent grown-up discussion again. These SHOULD be configurable.(Yea, I can block them with a custom CSS or whatever that previous poster was using, but I care about how it looks to the world.)

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                            Originally posted by mbbrutman View Post
                            It's been fun watching this thread.
                            Indeed.

                            It's not easy to migrate a web forum while keeping its data intact. That part has been achieved successfully.

                            However, the forum's new UI is modern, and therefore shitty. That is unfortunate, but livable.

                            The HTTPS part is needed, and I welcome it, as long as it still supports TLS 1.0 and the admins have not succumbed to the "only TLS 1.2 and higher supported here" fad. I'm on my (somewhat) modern Ubuntu 14.04 LTS laptop now, but I'd like this forum to be usable with Firefox 2.0 on my Pentium-II laptop with Debian 3.1 (haven't check that yet).

                            Also, please get rid of as much JavaScript as possible. I don't want code from the Internet running on my browser, thank you very much.

                            Lastly, cancel the Facebook and Twitter buttons. PLEASE.

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                              It's truly astounding how badly they ****ed this forum up. shock and awe.

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                                I note that when I set the browser zoom to view things a bit larger, the menu item "New Topics" and all succeeding text vanishes.

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