Forum etiquette

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This forum is part of our mission to promote the preservation of vintage computers through education and outreach. (In real life we also run events and have a museum.) We encourage you to join us, participate, share your knowledge, and enjoy.

This forum has been around in this format for over 15 years. These rules and guidelines help us maintain a healthy and active community, and we moderate the forum to keep things on track. Please familiarize yourself with these rules and guidelines.

Remain civil and respectful

There are several hundred people who actively participate here. People come from all different backgrounds and will have different ways of seeing things. You will not agree with everything you read here. Back-and-forth discussions are fine but do not cross the line into rude or disrespectful behavior.

Conduct yourself as you would at any other place where people come together in person to discuss their hobby. If you wouldn't say something to somebody in person, then you probably should not be writing it here.

This should be obvious but, just in case: profanity, threats, slurs against any group (sexual, racial, gender, etc.) will not be tolerated.

Stay close to the original topic being discussed
  • If you are starting a new thread choose a reasonable sub-forum to start your thread. (If you choose incorrectly don't worry, we can fix that.)
  • If you are responding to a thread, stay on topic - the original poster was trying to achieve something. You can always start a new thread instead of potentially "hijacking" an existing thread.

Contribute something meaningful

To put things in engineering terms, we value a high signal to noise ratio. Coming here should not be a waste of time.
  • This is not a chat room. If you are taking less than 30 seconds to make a post then you are probably doing something wrong. A post should be on topic, clear, and contribute something meaningful to the discussion. If people read your posts and feel that their time as been wasted, they will stop reading your posts. Worse yet, they will stop visiting and we'll lose their experience and contributions.
  • Do not bump threads.
  • Do not "necro-post" unless you are following up to a specific person on a specific thread. And even then, that person may have moved on. Just start a new thread for your related topic.
  • Use the Private Message system for posts that are targeted at a specific person.

"PM Sent!" messages (or, how to use the Private Message system)

This forum has a private message feature that we want people to use for messages that are not of general interest to other members.

In short, if you are going to reply to a thread and that reply is targeted to a specific individual and not of interest to anybody else (either now or in the future) then send a private message instead.

Here are some obvious examples of when you should not reply to a thread and use the PM system instead:
  • "PM Sent!": Do not tell the rest of us that you sent a PM ... the forum software will tell the other person that they have a PM waiting.
  • "How much is shipping to ....": This is a very specific and directed question that is not of interest to anybody else.

Why do we have this policy? Sending a "PM Sent!" type message basically wastes everybody else's time by making them having to scroll past a post in a thread that looks to be updated, when the update is not meaningful. And the person you are sending the PM to will be notified by the forum software that they have a message waiting for them. Look up at the top near the right edge where it says 'Notifications' ... if you have a PM waiting, it will tell you there.

Copyright and other legal issues

We are here to discuss vintage computing, so discussing software, books, and other intellectual property that is on-topic is fine. We don't want people using these forums to discuss or enable copyright violations or other things that are against the law; whether you agree with the law or not is irrelevant. Do not use our resources for something that is legally or morally questionable.

Our discussions here generally fall under "fair use." Telling people how to pirate a software title is an example of something that is not allowable here.

Reporting problematic posts

If you see spam, a wildly off-topic post, or something abusive or illegal please report the thread by clicking on the "Report Post" icon. (It looks like an exclamation point in a triangle and it is available under every post.) This send a notification to all of the moderators, so somebody will see it and deal with it.

If you are unsure you may consider sending a private message to a moderator instead.

New user moderation

New users are directly moderated so that we can weed spammers out early. This means that for your first 10 posts you will have some delay before they are seen. We understand this can be disruptive to the flow of conversation and we try to keep up with our new user moderation duties to avoid undue inconvenience. Please do not make duplicate posts, extra posts to bump your post count, or ask the moderators to expedite this process; 10 moderated posts will go by quickly.

New users also have a smaller personal message inbox limit and are rate limited when sending PMs to other users.

Other suggestions
  • Use Google, books, or other definitive sources. There is a lot of information out there.
  • Don't make people guess at what you are trying to say; we are not mind readers. Be clear and concise.
  • Spelling and grammar are not rated, but they do make a post easier to read.
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    Originally posted by ropers View Post
    Oh look, and I'm downgraded to a Junior Member somehow, with my posts counter reset, back to square one. Why?

    And I'm not authorised to update my own post above. Why?

    Also, why not at least have one theme that legit looks like what the site looked like before?

    Resetting accounts and adding a silly amount of choice between new theming options that are all bad in the say way isn't a good way to welcome established users back. Do you want me to spend an hour trying to figure out the least bad option? Ain't nobody got time for that.
    Are you "ropers" or "ropersonline?"

    "Ropers" only had one posting in 2012 before these two recent posts. "Ropersonline" has been more active.


      Not sure if this is a reported or known issue so far, but my "recent posts" list does not sort by date correctly. If you look at this image, you will see that my most recent post is basically stuck down at the bottom and not at the top. Trying to re-sort the list has no effect. The order remains the same. The dates of the most recent updates are all scrambled.


        Yeah I havent touched that trinitron video in a long time.


          Yes, we're still waiting.


            I fixed it back then..... I was pretty proud of that repair. Or were you referring to the forum issues?


              Has anyone else noticed problems with subscribing to threads made before the forum upgrade? Maybe even a year or more older? I have two similar threads I am subscribed to regarding a franklin ace repair. If I go into each thread it says I am subscribed to both. However if I click on my "subscribed" items under my profile. Only the one from Apr 22nd is showing up. I dont think I get updated to anything on the other thread either.


                Would one of the Mods please remove the Redirect: bug in my "Topics" listing. I have no idea as to where it came from or how to get rid of it.


                Thanks in advance.
                Surely not everyone was Kung-fu fighting


                  Originally posted by VERAULT View Post

                  What?! What dot?
                  When you do "New Post" you see at the left of the title of the post, what looks like a piece of paper with text and right corner folded. Next to that is a dot with a double arrow pointing down, that dot. The title follows. If you've already read part of a thread. it take you to the next unread post. I don't know what the piece of paper icon does??


                    I imagine the piece of paper icon is possibly the thread's icon. Some forums let you choose an icon for a new thread. If you point at the icon it says that it contains unread posts.

                    EDIT: well, after testing, that piece of paper is there to stay. It has no significance.
                    Last edited by Robbbert; May 5, 2021, 12:00 AM.


                      Originally posted by Agent Orange View Post
                      Would one of the Mods please remove the Redirect: bug in my "Topics" listing. I have no idea as to where it came from or how to get rid of it.


                      Thanks in advance.
                      I would like to thank the staff for clearing that annoying bug.

                      Surely not everyone was Kung-fu fighting



                        been trying to keep my feet out of the water on this particular thread but here we go. Half my PM history has been deleted including some deals I had waiting which is a significant headache for me as I will have to fish through my emails and try to pick up where I left off. Sorry if this has been mentioned before but this is now actually getting properly in the way of me. Cosmetic issues I can deal with but this is just a pain.

                        I would also like to take this opportunity to thank the moderators and admins who keep this forum alive and I hope they continue to do so. Change is almost never smooth and its a shame that it had to get so sour but I appreciate their openness to criticism and their efforts to change and improve it.




                          Whee, just got snagged by the "too many edits, you must be an EVIL SPAMMER" thing. While I understand that thing has good intentions, well, on a tech forum it can be sort of annoying to have to sigh and say "well, do I dare edit that, or should I just let that I typo-ed that schematic assignment or pin number go and hope they figure it out?".
                          My Retro-computing YouTube Channel (updates... eventually?): Paleozoic PCs Also: Blogspot


                            Would anyone who is having the "repeat edit, marked as spam" issue PM me, with details? We're attempting to troubleshoot the issue.

                            I'm aware that the issue definitely exists, so no worries on that front. I've mod/passed a bunch of posts.

                            - Alex


                              Originally posted by ajacocks View Post
                              Would anyone who is having the "repeat edit, marked as spam" issue PM me, with details? We're attempting to troubleshoot the issue.

                              I'm aware that the issue definitely exists, so no worries on that front. I've mod/passed a bunch of posts.
                              Next time it happens I'll try to be as detailed as possible, but so far I see no rhyme or reason to it. It happened to me today with a single edit. (changed a single letter in a single word about a minute after originally posting.)
                              My Retro-computing YouTube Channel (updates... eventually?): Paleozoic PCs Also: Blogspot


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                                Edited: I was able to rapidly edit, save and re-edit this post ten times without a flag. I'm satisfied with that if you are tweaking things right now.
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