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    #16
    Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
    yeah its foggy every day in SAN Fran.. Part of what makes it beautiful is the bay and the microclimate. I do remember how vastly different it was from when I was there in 1998 to when I returned in 2017. It went from being a gay-centric city to a Hipster tech city... Alot less homeless people when I last visited.
    "The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco." -- Mark Twain.

    We were there on the 4th of July once, near Pier 39. Folks will sell spots on their boats to go out in the harbor for a quick tour and to watch the fireworks.

    All bundled up in our jackets, that year (dunno if they do it every year) they essentially ran identical shows of fireworks at either end of a section of the shoreline.

    Most of the fireworks were going off in the clouds above us. Looked more like Close Encounters of the Third Kind than a fireworks show, but it was fun.

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      #17
      I wanted to see alcatraz back in 98 but tours were booked solid for 3 months. I got to see it this last time around.. even watched escape from alcatraz in the hotel room the bight before just for fun. Still a great drinking city. Plenty of good spots

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        #18
        I totally agree with Chuck(G), and it's nice to read that California was better place to live.

        Generally I am thinking about being programmer for living, but "California dream", when I compare it even with Denmark reading articles looks like a history now. Denmark have also high taxes but probably pay better for junior programmer, and for taxes offer better social(in Denmark You probably get quite big state retirement pension just If You work 1 year, and live about 3 years in EU country).

        And Yes Chuck(G) is totally right - "these temporary taxes" usually are not temporary - Poland some time ago had 22% VAT, but they made a "temporary" 23% according to them ruling party, The biggest opposition party said "Oh what are You doing, we will remove this". Now the roles changes, and guess what? There is still 23% tax.

        The Poland usually not taxes most of the items that are used and cost e.g. some zlotys equivalent of e.g. 1$. The social benefits for taxes in Poland probably unusual to California is (partially) free university degree. Partially because for most of the degrees, there is a lot of people(and this is why there is a lot of private universities in country), on other side on more unpopular You can easily study for free. Also times changed and if You earn less than probably 1500 złoty month(around 3/4 of minimal wage) You can probably get now a social benefit money which are higher than most private universities fee in country.
        Last edited by pgru2; September 14, 2021, 01:36 AM.

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          #19
          People love making California a poster child for things, but gonna be blunt here: this tax thing is almost straight up BS. Calculated state tax burdens in the US vary between around 7% to 14% (the exact numbers vary between sources), but this is roughly how it boils down:

          1: California is about #10 out of 50 states for total tax burden. That’s not great, sure, top 20%, but:

          2: If you really want to bi**h there are better targets, like New York. California’s bill is basically “high median”, it’s not actually a gross outlier.

          3: In sales tax specifically, again, California is not an outlier and it’s not their fault eBay has to chase down people across state borders to pay it, so basically this whole thread was based on a false premise.

          People with axes to grind love pretending that California is some kind of socialist hellscape and a failed state, but this one state has the fifth largest economy in the world. California’s GDP is higher than India’s, for crying out loud. I’m not going to pretend that they’re doing everything right, but, sheesh.
          Last edited by Eudimorphodon; September 14, 2021, 06:31 AM.
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            #20
            Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
            I wanted to see alcatraz back in 98 but tours were booked solid for 3 months. I got to see it this last time around.. even watched escape from alcatraz in the hotel room the bight before just for fun. Still a great drinking city. Plenty of good spots
            I saw it from the flight deck of the USS Midway (CVA-41) back in April of 1962 as we were manning the rails heading out to WestPac. I remember those huge floating/moored signs that said in red on white "Do Not Approach Within 1000 Yards".
            Surely not everyone was Kung-Fu fighting

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              #21
              Originally posted by Eudimorphodon View Post
              People with axes to grind love pretending that California is some kind of socialist hellscape and a failed state,
              Can't speak to the rest of the state, but SF and LA certainly meet these conditions

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                #22
                All I am going to say is the problem here is the same problem for a million other topics. State VS federal LAW. I live in the border of New York and Connecticut. The laws change drastically a 5 minute drive from my house.. WHY!? Why is something ok in one state and not in another? I WANT a removal of State jurisdiction for Federal Jurisdiction. One Country, one set of laws. Will there be problems? THERE ALREADY ARE A MYRIAD OF PROBLEMS! Lets simplify.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
                  All I am going to say is the problem here is the same problem for a million other topics. State VS federal LAW. I live in the border of New York and Connecticut. The laws change drastically a 5 minute drive from my house.. WHY!? Why is something ok in one state and not in another? I WANT a removal of State jurisdiction for Federal Jurisdiction. One Country, one set of laws. Will there be problems? THERE ALREADY ARE A MYRIAD OF PROBLEMS! Lets simplify.
                  States are supposed to be sovereign. We need to keep that. One set of laws/rules and it's too easy for a dictatorship to manifest itself.

                  Surely not everyone was Kung-Fu fighting

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                    #24
                    One dictatorship for smaller dictatorships doesn't make things easier.

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                      #25
                      In Connecticut, county government, except for the county sheriffs, was dissolved back in 1959. Unifying the highway departments under state control was not a panacea. Eliminating state governments to place everything under Federal control might not result in better results.

                      Heading across the border to Massachusetts or New York would mean dealing with different tax laws but so does going into Hartford which operates under different state sales tax laws compared to the rest of Connecticut.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
                        One dictatorship for smaller dictatorships doesn't make things easier.
                        Yes it does actually. A smaller dictator is easier to topple

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                          #27
                          It's similar discussion in Europe. But probably when most Americans will say "I am American", the most people in Europe won't say I am "Union European". In Denmark most people have a flag near the house and it's of course flag of Denmark. In Poland many people are using flags on national holidays and it is mostly flag of Poland. The problem with creating "super-states" is that most people don't want to be ruled exactly the same. For example - in Europe people needs rights to free travel, and work(and this way union exists now, it started as a coal union in past, which ecologists forget). But are angry that people not even chosen in open elections - says "You can't use Your Diesel car anymore, because we will increase taxes or even ban it", "we will say that You have right to free travel, but we will increase taxes and de facto ban cheap airlines, because we use luxury ones from Your taxes".

                          Personally I think that with so much diversity in states(look at election results, maybe I am wrong but nearly half was for one candidate, and second half for another, so millions of people would be angry, despite who wins), creating "super-state" may result if not in another civil XIX century lesson of history, but at least peaceful secession of many states. The Brexit showed, that even if You give Britons rights to be something like a tax-heaven(You won't believe but e.g. most banana for European Union was sailing on paper via City or Docklands, just to pay lower taxes), they would be angry at something, and secede.

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                            #28
                            Brexit just shows if you let people make stupid decisions they will. The EU will eventually dissolve like the US colonial confederation or become one country with a strong central government.

                            I like the distinction between federal and state laws, you can go live in places that are more to your liking and that keeps people who are over armed from causing revolutions. The same can be said of local laws that vary in individual states.

                            Corruption never goes away. You have rich arias around Washington DC feeding on the government just like you have rich areas in Columbus, OH feeding off the state. If anything it just gives more people access to tax dollars. Having everything go through Washington just means bigger corruption like you have in Moscow Russia.
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by pgru2 View Post
                              It's similar discussion in Europe. But probably when most Americans will say "I am American", the most people in Europe won't say I am "Union European". In Denmark most people have a flag near the house and it's of course flag of Denmark. In Poland many people are using flags on national holidays and it is mostly flag of Poland. The problem with creating "super-states" is that most people don't want to be ruled exactly the same. For example - in Europe people needs rights to free travel, and work(and this way union exists now, it started as a coal union in past, which ecologists forget). But are angry that people not even chosen in open elections - says "You can't use Your Diesel car anymore, because we will increase taxes or even ban it", "we will say that You have right to free travel, but we will increase taxes and de facto ban cheap airlines, because we use luxury ones from Your taxes".

                              Personally I think that with so much diversity in states(look at election results, maybe I am wrong but nearly half was for one candidate, and second half for another, so millions of people would be angry, despite who wins), creating "super-state" may result if not in another civil XIX century lesson of history, but at least peaceful secession of many states. The Brexit showude oed, that even if You give Britons rights to be something like a tax-heaven(You won't believe but e.g. most banana for European Union was sailing on paper via City or Docklands, just to pay lower taxes), they would be angry at something, and secede.
                              One thing I never quite understood in this day and age about Europeans, is their tolerance for the so called royalty; i.e. kings, queens, barons, and so forth, that seem to be skimming off of the top. Over here on this side of the pond we have some that think they are royalty, and do skim, but sooner or later thing sort of even out, as in justice is served. Just my take.

                              Surely not everyone was Kung-Fu fighting

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                                #30
                                You guys took this tangent and ran west with it......

                                Rather than wave sticks at Europeans, why not look at who Americans make their celebrities out of (American Royalty that is..). Anyone on Reality TV who comes across as a short-bus riding idiot who shouldn't be allowed to breed. You know, the jersey shore cast, the Kardashians, the last president... Whomever it is now as I dont watch that crap. And the music? Whatever they pass along as music today (which isnt). Maybe we shouldn't go finger pointing when so many aspects of our country are a complete F$%king embarrassment.

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