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    Win2k with 8GB of RAM

    I recently won a SuperMicro H8DA8 dual Operton 250 motherboard. Assuming it fits in my old server case (Compaq ML330 Single P3) I want to run Win2k advanced server. Win2k is the last version of windows that natively supports classic mac file serving. Anyway the motherboard has 8GB of RAM and I wanted to know if anybody here has much experience with Win2k AS and PAE extensions to use more then 4GB of RAM.
    What I collect: 68K/Early PPC Mac, DOS/Win 3.1 era machines, Amiga/ST, C64/128
    Nubus/ISA/VLB/MCA/EISA cards of all types
    Boxed apps and games for the above systems
    Analog video capture cards/software and complete systems

    #2
    I've never tried Windows 2000 Server versions with PAE before, however I can vouch that Server 2003 (R1) runs with 6 gigs ram, no problem with PAE automatically configured at install. Windows 2000 Server should be pretty much the same, they're close enough together kernel wise, and a good amount of servers needed more than 4 gigs of ram at the time anyways.

    Worst case it only uses around 4, however, I'm not too sure what you would be doing today that runs on Windows 2000 that would eat up more than 4.

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      #3
      I tried it with 4 GB and that worked well (AMD 780G mainboard, Athlon II X3, Windows 2000 Advanced server)
      Max is 8 GB for the advanced server version though (with PAE).

      http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/gg487503.aspx

      I still like W2000 a lot.
      [edit] nice overview too: http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/a...archid=3028563
      “Thus, we see that one of the obvious origins of human disagreement lies in the use of noises for words.”

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        #4
        OT: That Sibelius page represents the current state of the Sibelius program under the leadership of Avid. Updated to include Sibelius 7 and 7.1, which didn't come out until last year, but not going any farther than Vista. How sad.
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          #5
          I seem to remember that your applications need to support this as well.....
          Dave
          G4UGM

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            #6
            The board has 8 RAM slots, and comes with 8x1GB so I just want to make sure it all shows up. Pretty sure you can do 2 or 4GB DIMMS for 32GB max.
            What I collect: 68K/Early PPC Mac, DOS/Win 3.1 era machines, Amiga/ST, C64/128
            Nubus/ISA/VLB/MCA/EISA cards of all types
            Boxed apps and games for the above systems
            Analog video capture cards/software and complete systems

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unknown_K View Post
              I recently won a SuperMicro H8DA8 dual Operton 250 motherboard. Assuming it fits in my old server case (Compaq ML330 Single P3) I want to run Win2k advanced server. Win2k is the last version of windows that natively supports classic mac file serving.
              Why not just run a modern 64-bit windows on any hardware and OS you like, and then run Win2K advanced server inside it as a guest OS with something like VMWare or VirtualBox?
              Offering a bounty for:
              - A working Sanyo MBC-775 or Logabax 1600
              - Music Construction Set, IBM Music Feature edition (has red sticker on front stating IBM Music Feature)

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                #8
                Originally posted by Trixter View Post
                Why not just run a modern 64-bit windows on any hardware and OS you like, and then run Win2K advanced server inside it as a guest OS with something like VMWare or VirtualBox?
                Well you need 64 bit drivers for a 64 bit OS and some might not exist. I don't like running EMU/Virtual machines. Win2k is stable and runs fast as hell on the hardware I want to use.
                What I collect: 68K/Early PPC Mac, DOS/Win 3.1 era machines, Amiga/ST, C64/128
                Nubus/ISA/VLB/MCA/EISA cards of all types
                Boxed apps and games for the above systems
                Analog video capture cards/software and complete systems

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unknown_K View Post
                  Well you need 64 bit drivers for a 64 bit OS and some might not exist. I don't like running EMU/Virtual machines. Win2k is stable and runs fast as hell on the hardware I want to use.
                  Really? I find that Windows boots faster under VirtualBox and I can attach and remove hardware without actually handling the physical hardware. I think it's pretty cool.
                  Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unknown_K View Post
                    Well you need 64 bit drivers for a 64 bit OS and some might not exist. I don't like running EMU/Virtual machines. Win2k is stable and runs fast as hell on the hardware I want to use.
                    If you are running on modern hardware, you will have 64-bit drivers. The guest 32-bit OS will use its older 32-bit drivers inside the virtual machine, since it can't/won't know any better.

                    Because the hardware is virtualized, you will find it actually boots and runs faster than on whatever old machine you can find to run it on natively.

                    I think you haven't tried virtuallization in the last 5 years. It has advanced quite significantly.
                    Offering a bounty for:
                    - A working Sanyo MBC-775 or Logabax 1600
                    - Music Construction Set, IBM Music Feature edition (has red sticker on front stating IBM Music Feature)

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unknown_K View Post
                      I recently won a SuperMicro H8DA8 dual Operton 250 motherboard. Assuming it fits in my old server case (Compaq ML330 Single P3) I want to run Win2k advanced server. Win2k is the last version of windows that natively supports classic mac file serving. Anyway the motherboard has 8GB of RAM and I wanted to know if anybody here has much experience with Win2k AS and PAE extensions to use more then 4GB of RAM.
                      My old file server was a dual pentium 3 loaded with 6gb of ram. I had windows 2000 server on it and it ran without any issues. In fact, I didn't need to do anything to enable PAE. Your H8DA8 does NOT use PAE. its true 64 bit. A 32 bit OS will be limited to 3.5gb.
                      It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

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                        #12
                        Well the board is here so I will find out how it goes sooner or later once I get it installed in something. I was planning on installing Athlon 64 heatsink/fans on the unit (came with passive heatsinks) but the mounting plate is a 2 hole variety with screws while the normal mountings are the 4 hole variety.
                        What I collect: 68K/Early PPC Mac, DOS/Win 3.1 era machines, Amiga/ST, C64/128
                        Nubus/ISA/VLB/MCA/EISA cards of all types
                        Boxed apps and games for the above systems
                        Analog video capture cards/software and complete systems

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                          #13
                          If the concern is AppleTalk support, just get PCMacLan 9. It works fine under virtual machines as well. Microsoft's built in support was "eh" at best.

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                            #14
                            If the mounting is two hole, it's a Socket 940 mounting system, used for the AMD FX 64 and processors like that around 2004. Shouldn't be too hard to find a plain 940 heatsink, I know a couple I've seen were liquid setups, so heatsinks have to be out there somewhere.

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                              #15
                              Some motherboards that have more than 4gb of ram allow you to install a driver that presents the ram beyond 4gb as a large ramdisk when using a 32-bit OS. I had a relatively new asrock board (last year) that supported that in 32-bit XP. Not sure if anyone make win2k drivers for that. It also had the option to run swap out of the ramdisk, so you would have 4gb of ram, and 4gb of ramdisk swap, which is basically slightly slower ram. Magnitudes faster than disk. I thought that was a clever little hack. Of course, I went and install 64 bit ubuntu on it so I never actually used the feature!
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