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    What size HD is in your main machine?

    Just curious what you guys are using for HDs on your main machine (OS and app drive not a dump drive).

    I have been using a 250GB drive for a few years and recently swapped it for a 1TB HD. Seems like 1TB drives are super cheap at $55 or so shipped.

    My largest dump drive is 4TB used for videos mostly, have a 2TB one I got a few years back still in use as well. Old gaming machines get the older 120-320GB HDs (mostly IDE and a few SATA). I think the 2TB model was before hard drive prices spiked.

    Anybody still using old IDE drives as their main HD?
    What I collect: 68K/Early PPC Mac, DOS/Win 3.1 era machines, Amiga/ST, C64/128
    Nubus/ISA/VLB/MCA/EISA cards of all types
    Boxed apps and games for the above systems
    Analog video capture cards/software and complete systems

    I'm using a 500 GB Western Digital Blue SATA drive in my desktop.

    I have a 160 GB Hitatchi 7.2k SATA drive in my laptop. I always run out of space on it however I don't have anything to replace it with at the moment.


      My desktop machine has a 350GB "system" disk and a 4TB disk for the rest (/home among that). It's not a "dump" disk, but I do keep a /mirror area there where I mirror stuff from the net just in case. But the other reason it's so large is that I process satellite data, and I also have a bunch of VMs running (clones of customer's systems) which need large data areas too. I expect to need more capacity in the not so far future.

      Last edited by Tor; December 13, 2013, 03:21 AM. Reason: Typo


        I've been using a 500GB disk for some time. My new computer, which I hope to be using for a long time, uses a Western Digital Black - WD5002AALX 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5".

        The thing is that operating systems and applications take up very little space by today's drive standards. It's all about how much of your archive that you want readily available in your home directory. In other words the ratio between your available files and your archived files. I recently added a 1TB Western Digital Red - WD10EFRX 1TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" mounted as /home/archive. I may add another one of those in the future, but don't see any way to use a main drive that is larger than 500GB. Even that is quite large, but I think 500 is at the best price/performance point at this point in time. I could use a 250GB drive (even less) and it would not make a noticeable difference to the way I use the computer.
        WANTED: Cardinal 2450MNP modem.


          4x 60gb sata3 ssd drives for OS and apps (raid 0)
          4x 640gb WD-black for games/video recording/etc (raid 0)
          1x 2tb dump disk

          the speeds of sata-3 ssd drives is AMAZING. The technology is finally coming out of its infancy. Its a shame my machine only has a sata-2 controller, but it pegs it at maximum (1.2GB/s total) and when i eventually upgrade, i already have the drives. The WD blacks get a respectable 500mb/s so video editing is smooth and game load times are practically non-existent.
          It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.


            I'm using 512Gb SSD (PCIe). I hate unreliable, noisy, hot hard drives. I don't even like to use them in my vintage computers. I've got flash drives in my Amiga, Atari, TRS-80. It's solid state all the way, baby.


              Main OS drive is Samsung 840 EVO 500GB SSD Mobo (DX58SO2) Marvell Sata3
              Games drive is 2x 60GB SSD in RAID 0 hanging off of Adaptec 5805
              "Data & Docs" drive is 2x 1TB Seagate somethingorother in RAID 1 hanging off of Adaptec 5805
              "other games" drive 3x 250gb WD somethingorothers in RAID 0 hanging off of Adaptec 5805
              SSD caching drive for the 3disk raid 0 hanging off of Adaptec 5805

              My Home server has 3x 4TB drives in a RAID 5 hanging off of Adaptec 31205, I will have to OCE in another 4TB disk when my last Terrabubble is used up...

              Wanted: IBM XT/286 Model 5162 <-!!!


                Main (REMTech):
                OS [W7]: Seagate ST500DM002-1BD142 -500GB - SATA
                OS [Arch64]: Seagate ST3500630AS - 500GB - SATA
                Backup: Verbatim - Toshiba MK5055GSX - 500GB - USB 2.0
                Secondary: Digitus - Seagate (something) - 500GB - 2x USB 2.0
                WTB: Tandberg RDX - Cart. - SATA

                Server (SunFire):
                OS: Seagate Barracuda ATA 5 - 200GB - IDE/ATA

                Client (SunRay):
                Sic transit gloria mundi
                DEC Alpha [1991-2001]


                  I'm currently using 2 WD 600 GB (10K RPM) Velociraptors, one of which is a cloned backup. Also, I have a 2 TB Seagate Barracuda in a USB caddy which I use for archiving and Windows OS Images. I don't trust RAID setups any more. Somewhere down the line I'm going to replace the WD's with a solid state drive(s) - haven't made my mind up on exactly how that's going to go down yet. My 'main' machine is my gaming machine.
                  Surely not everyone was Kung-Fu fighting


                    Originally posted by Unknown_K View Post
                    Just curious what you guys are using for HDs on your main machine (OS and app drive not a dump drive).
                    I use a 256GB SSD for my boot and app drive, and a 4-disk RAID-5 for all other data and work (with a 5th disk as a hot spare).
                    Offering a bounty for:
                    - A working Sanyo MBC-775 or Logabax 1600
                    - Music Construction Set, IBM Music Feature edition (has red sticker on front stating IBM Music Feature)


                      I have a 146GB 15K SAS drive for the OS and some core programs, and larger stuff (mostly games and whatnot) is installed on a 500GB WD Velociraptor.

                      I've also got 1TB, 2TB and 640GB drives for general storage, a few 500GB and 1TB external drives for things I don't need to access very often, and finally a 6TB NAS for everything I need to share between computers.


                        Originally posted by Unknown_K View Post
                        Just curious what you guys are using for HDs on your main machine (OS and app drive not a dump drive).
                        37.2 gig ide drive.
                        Thomas Byers (DRI)- "You'll have a million people using the A> [MS-DOS prompt] forever. You'll have five million using [nongraphic] menu systems such as Topview, Concurrent PC-DOS, Desq, and those types. But there'll be 50 to 100 million using the iconic-based interfaces."


                          4x 4TB, mirrored (8 TB usable).


                            This is starting to feel like a pissing contest. Okay, I'll add to what I wrote previously: In addition to main desktop 4T RAID-5, I have a 4T RAID-5 NAS, both have hot spares, and both are backed up offsite (1200 miles away from my current location) automatically. My house could turn into a smoking hole in the ground and I wouldn't lose any data that is important to me.

                            (I'm sure the next post will talk about someone's LTO-6 tape library in their outdoor shed, or someone's holographic storage, or the 12-disk SAS storage appliance...)
                            Offering a bounty for:
                            - A working Sanyo MBC-775 or Logabax 1600
                            - Music Construction Set, IBM Music Feature edition (has red sticker on front stating IBM Music Feature)


                              I have yet to try a SSD drive, people with laptops swear by them. The last 2 1TB HDs I purchased were around $55 shipped on sale, figured that would be the sweet spot these days.

                              Trixter I am still using LTO-1 for backups as well as DDS2/3/4, AIT-2, DLT depending on the system.
                              What I collect: 68K/Early PPC Mac, DOS/Win 3.1 era machines, Amiga/ST, C64/128
                              Nubus/ISA/VLB/MCA/EISA cards of all types
                              Boxed apps and games for the above systems
                              Analog video capture cards/software and complete systems