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So recordable media is going the way of the floppy

http://www.t-yuden.com/news/Pid=192_detail.html


Taiyo Yuden/JVC are stopping recordable media production.

That's really too bad - TY media is considered one of the best brands on the market, and is rated 99+yrs archival storage for CDs/DVDs, as I remember. It will end up being like the audio cassette biz in a few years, and we'll play hell finding recordable CD/DVD media...

The constant "slimming" of choices for backup and archiving, is now aiming at giving us no alternative, than to use Flash, as in cheap (soon to be) SSHD drives, or cards. The only problem with that is data retention!

The latest #'s on retention of data on an un-powered SSHD (as in backup-remove-store on shelf mode), is <= 12 months! (according to JEDEC & INTEL - as little as 5 weeks if stored at above room temp!!!)

I can't wait for the hue-and-cry from admins and general users, who find their 2+TB backups are garbage when they try to use them a couple of years down the line...

gwk
 
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The latest #'s on retention of data on an un-powered SSHD (as in backup-remove-store on shelf mode), is <= 12 months! (according to JEDEC & INTEL - as little as 5 weeks if stored at above room temp!!!)
Don't believe every half-baked article you read. :)

I have lots of flash material that I recorded 10 - 15 years ago that still accesses perfectly. It's actually shown better retention than either IDE or floppy media that I have personal control over.
 
I think its BS how people so quickly dismiss CD/DVD-R media.

I use recordable media all the darn time for archiving large sets of data. Whenever I mention this elsewhere, I get dissed for not being "with it" or whatever, but no one offers a better solution. I'm not archiving crap like movies or porn, or whatever it is kids like to download these days. I need to be sure this data hasn't magically changed because of a virus or some crappy OS writing additional data to the wrong sectors. Yes, a copy is also kept on a hard drive. Using more hard drives as backups adds complexity for WHEN things go wrong.

Also, until everyone has gigabit speeds (down and UP and not metered) to the internet, it is still quicker, cheaper, and easier, to mail someone a DVD-R full of data.
 
I haven't had flash failures in 10 years. I have had considerable CDR failures in 15 years. I have had a handful of hard drives die. But, I have yet to have a floppy diskette die on its own. I have some that I wrote in 1983 that are perfectly fine. I have some mass produced ones older than that.
 
Taiyo Yuden/JVC are stopping recordable media production.

"The Company currently expects that the impact of this business withdrawal on its corporate earnings will be immaterial." Ouch.

I was really bummed when LightScribe died. LightScribe is great for quick burns of stuff to share with people, quick burns of DVDs, etc. I can still buy LS media but I don't know for how much longer.

BD-ROM is very economical for long-term storage, or at least facebook thinks so: http://arstechnica.com/information-...lu-ray-discs-are-perfect-for-the-data-center/
 
I didn't know LightScribe did die. The people behind MODisc seem to think this is good for them, less competition.

When I got my first CD burner media was pretty reliable but pricey $8 a piece in bulk. When I got into DVD recordable some discs didn't even pass the initial verification process. DVD burners can be found for $12 new at Newegg on sale so everybody has one, I don't have any BR players in the house so getting a burner means added expense to get at least a USB2 player.
 
Don't believe every half-baked article you read. :)

I have lots of flash material that I recorded 10 - 15 years ago that still accesses perfectly. It's actually shown better retention than either IDE or floppy media that I have personal control over.

Can't say I was talking about Flash (as in USB or card media) as much as the crap that they are putting in most SSHDs these days, for economical reasons.

The "articles" were actually white papers DIRECT from JEDEC and Intel, so I don't think they were knocking their own prods--just setting out specs for manufacturers and standards committees.

gwk
 
"The Company currently expects that the impact of this business withdrawal on its corporate earnings will be immaterial." Ouch.

I was really bummed when LightScribe died. LightScribe is great for quick burns of stuff to share with people, quick burns of DVDs, etc. I can still buy LS media but I don't know for how much longer.

BD-ROM is very economical for long-term storage, or at least facebook thinks so: http://arstechnica.com/information-...lu-ray-discs-are-perfect-for-the-data-center/

I've got LS burners, but have never used it--I was given to understand that long-term stability of the LS artwork wasn't all that good.
 
honestly I believe the cd & dvd's major downfall was the simplicity of usb sticks. coupled with their continued price drops. You always had to burn a cd/dvd and it was always this extra step. and if for some reason it didnt work just right, you got a coaster. If you scratched the disk, it was dead and gone. Where the usb flash drive has been the textbook definition of plug & play (since win2k at least)

Add in most software being a download from the internet... I'm amazed cd/dvd has lasted as long as it has.
 
I don't trust the "cloud". Confidential information has a tendency to be acquired by the wrong people. Flash devices are more secure but their lifetime is still limited. M-disk is the only recognized, long-term, solution. Think of how many lost data even on magnetic cartridge media. There's no other way (other than vacuum-stored, sealed in steel, paper) if your data will be needed for generations.
 
Honestly, I don't trust the Web to retain much information. I ran a check of about 5 years worth of bookmarks on my browser--roughly 350 of them. 135 of them turned out to be dead links.

Do we really think that "THE CLOUD" will be much better.

USB flash might e okay if you don't use the super-dense MLC units. I've still got some 32MB SmartMedia cards that read just fine. On the other hand, I'm not sure about a 128GB USB flash stick being destined for the ages.
 
Anyone selling space on the cloud can close up anytime they want, and probably sell all your information in bankruptcy court.
 
If someone has flash media that has lasted for 15 years without problems then that's good, but unfortunately it tells us basically nothing about how long current flash will last. The difference in technology is vast. It had to be, to go from 64MB or lower to 64GB or higher.
 
Taiyo-Yuden's biggest problem was always marketing and distribution. You could never find the stuff in a B&M store and they weren't sold at too many places online. The JVC branding was supposed to help with that since it was an "established" brand, I guess it didn't. Another blow to their business was the loss of contracts for manufacturing media for other companies. Fuji used to use TY media for example.

I just hope Verbatim doesn't get any ideas to stop making their DataLife Plus AZO dye media. They are now the last premium blank media manufacturer. At least I can find their products at mass market retailers online and in actual stores (Microcenter stocks their high end media).
 
CD-Rs have never been reliable for me. After having numerous Sony and Imation CD-Rs fail on me (some have even turned yellow!), I bought a stack of Taiyo-Yuden CD-Rs. They may be great quality, but the label side of the disc has a glossy finish that not only makes whatever you write on it hard to read due to the mirror-like reflections, whenever you handle the disc it also attracts fingerprints that are impossible to remove! :eek:
 
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