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    #16
    Originally posted by Shadow Lord View Post
    Article. Note that the cure is to get rid of updates for the apps. However, many of the apps are updated as part of firmware updates and can not be rolled back. Plus this only works on older sets that did not have the apps w/ ads as the primary/factory version.

    OTA/Cable/etc. has nothing to do with it. These are built into the TV's interface.
    Yeah, I hear you on that. I haven't experienced what you're seeing as of yet. Might want do some Googling on that or get ahold of someone in customer service, as I don't think it's normal that you have to put up with ads changing channels. So, how everything in LA these days? We're "medically" up to date and hopefully heading down to Florida next Thursday. Trying to find a deal on 3080 or 3090 but would have better luck on a gold brick for about the same price. This ought to be a good lesson for the American auto business - don't rely on the offshore chip supply.
    Surely not everyone was Kung-fu fighting

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      #17
      Originally posted by Agent Orange View Post
      So, how everything in LA these days? We're "medically" up to date and hopefully heading down to Florida next Thursday. Trying to find a deal on 3080 or 3090 but would have better luck on a gold brick for about the same price. This ought to be a good lesson for the American auto business - don't rely on the offshore chip supply.
      LA is actually opening up. We are up to 50% for indoor stuff. In our little town (within LA County) apparently 52% are fully vaccinated. Traffic has certainly picked up and is almost back to 2019 levels. Maybe not quite as bad because kids are not fully back to school yet but its not the "open road" anymore.I think I will wait until the 3xxx are vintage before trying to pick one up. Honestly, I think my last modern system purchase was in 2007/2008 and I never fully finished the build LOL. Sigh... More toys then time.... and time runs out.
      Current Wish List: 1. IBM 7531 Industrial Series PC 2. NEC MultiSync XL (JC-2001) Monitor 3. MicroSolutions UniDOS card 4. Compaq 14" VGA CRT Monitor (the one that came with the SystemPro). 5. Stacker HW CoProcessor Board MCA BUS. If you have any of the above for sale please PM me. Thank you!

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        #18
        Originally posted by Agent Orange View Post
        You and me are at opposite ends on this; for me less is more.
        I'd just rather drag an Apple TV back to the store if it's broken than my drive-in-theater size TV. Just seems to me that the "smart" features of the TV are the most problematic, susceptible to random "Quality of life" and "feature" updates from the app owners, etc.

        I'd simply rather have them disassociated. If I tire of my Apple TV, I can plug in something else until I tire of that. The little black streamer boxes I consider disposable in contrast to the "long term" "durable good" of a TV that's bolted to the wall.

        My TV is, technically, a "smart TV", but it never got a password to the WiFi. It's driven by HDMI, and power. I don't even know where its remote is.

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          #19
          Originally posted by whartung View Post
          I'd just rather drag an Apple TV back to the store if it's broken than my drive-in-theater size TV. Just seems to me that the "smart" features of the TV are the most problematic, susceptible to random "Quality of life" and "feature" updates from the app owners, etc.

          I'd simply rather have them disassociated. If I tire of my Apple TV, I can plug in something else until I tire of that. The little black streamer boxes I consider disposable in contrast to the "long term" "durable good" of a TV that's bolted to the wall.

          My TV is, technically, a "smart TV", but it never got a password to the WiFi. It's driven by HDMI, and power. I don't even know where its remote is.
          You ought to give it a shot - you might like it.
          Surely not everyone was Kung-fu fighting

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            #20
            Originally posted by Agent Orange View Post
            If you are still on cable or just do OTA then it's no problem. But, if like many of us who are now streaming, smart TVs can make a big difference. With the smart TV you can eliminate the Roku, Apple TV, or what ever external box. It's nice to have it all integrated.
            I don't watch sports (for longer then I can remember I told myself I want to start following Japanese baseball. Any year now ...). I just discovered 2 ~8 year old sitcoms, bought the entire series of one (it wasn't worth it). I got hooked on T:SCC last year, watched it 6+ times strait through. That'll never happen again, I know the episodes too well. What is there to watch? Every once in a while I'll take a gander at something at a restaurant or laundromat. Newer tv's shows are so sickeningly woke I can't stomach it. So to the extent I watch anything at all, it's likely to be pretty old or a documentary. Nothing much to watch.

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              #21
              Originally posted by tipc View Post
              I don't watch sports (for longer then I can remember I told myself I want to start following Japanese baseball. Any year now ...). I just discovered 2 ~8 year old sitcoms, bought the entire series of one (it wasn't worth it). I got hooked on T:SCC last year, watched it 6+ times strait through. That'll never happen again, I know the episodes too well. What is there to watch? Every once in a while I'll take a gander at something at a restaurant or laundromat. Newer tv's shows are so sickeningly woke I can't stomach it. So to the extent I watch anything at all, it's likely to be pretty old or a documentary. Nothing much to watch.
              You know 'Pluto' is streaming free, and there's something there for just about everyone - especially if you like older sitcoms.
              Surely not everyone was Kung-fu fighting

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                #22
                Well Peacock wouldn't work with the Crimebook. That horrible tablet needed a newer version of Crime, which I downloaded, and the tablet erased every vestige of Crime LOL. Maybe the tablet is a blessed device after all. Then downloaded Firefox and Peacock said I needed the app. Which I downloaded. But it too went awol.

                I really have no interest in much of anything. I curse.at the tv Everytime I see they run multiple episodes of 3s company. What a cultural atrocity that was. I only want to see the parks and rec episodes I haven't seen.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by tipc View Post
                  I only want to see the parks and rec episodes I haven't seen.
                  I never watch one episode as it seemed kind of dopey to me.
                  Surely not everyone was Kung-fu fighting

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                    #24
                    So what sitcoms do you like? Yes it's absolutely dopey. Community is even worse, most of it isn't funny at all. But there were a few good shows. It's rare that a show has me coughing and tearing. Happened once so it deserves some credit.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by tipc View Post
                      So what sitcoms do you like? Yes it's absolutely dopey. Community is even worse, most of it isn't funny at all. But there were a few good shows. It's rare that a show has me coughing and tearing. Happened once so it deserves some credit.
                      I like cop shows and maybe 'Young Sheldon'. The rest are sports and Motor Trend. We do like Wicked Tuna once in a while.
                      Surely not everyone was Kung-fu fighting

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by tipc View Post
                        I don't watch sports (for longer then I can remember I told myself I want to start following Japanese baseball. Any year now ...). I just discovered 2 ~8 year old sitcoms, bought the entire series of one (it wasn't worth it). I got hooked on T:SCC last year, watched it 6+ times strait through. That'll never happen again, I know the episodes too well. What is there to watch? Every once in a while I'll take a gander at something at a restaurant or laundromat. Newer tv's shows are so sickeningly woke I can't stomach it. So to the extent I watch anything at all, it's likely to be pretty old or a documentary. Nothing much to watch.
                        Sci fi and comedy here. Most sitcoms disgust me though. Most things disgust me. Everything except puters and cats.

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