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    #16
    Originally posted by Agent Orange View Post
    Can anybody tell what the advantage of a XBox game is over a good gaming PC?
    Basically the same one-and-only advantage that you get with any gaming console, IE, the game designers get to optimize for one known universal hardware configuration so you can be *reasonably* sure that your copy of the game will run as well for you as it does for anybody else.

    My favorite game for the original Xbox was "Whiplash". It wasn't a *good* game, it was actually a pretty terrible one, but it was funny right up until you ended up trapped in a clipping error or whatever. Probably not most peoples' cup of tea, though.
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      #17
      It seems that every so often these XBox folks like to change the format and older games will no work on the newer sets or vice-versa. You don't really have that problem with the PC to the same extent. However, if you don't want to fool with PC I suppose the younger ones find the XBox thing fairly entertaining.
      Surely not everyone was Kung-fu fighting

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        #18
        There were a handful of revisions intended to keep the h/w hackers at Bay. Short of modding it with a new chip or overwriting the firmware, vulnerabilities would arise, a bug in a game that would allow some sort of exploit. Allegedly M$ didn't lose their mind when certain parties dropped the dime on their encryption methods. In fact one guy received accolades for his ingenuity. It was only a matter of time I suppose they figured. But that doesn't at all mean they liked it.

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          #19
          The nice things about consoles are that the games are programmed for the hardware, there are no real setup issues, and on older consoles the games just work (no need for internet updates). Plus you can buy games CHEAP except for some rarities.

          The downside of XBOX games is XBOXlive for the original XBOX is dead so don't expect to play online games with other people on the net.

          MS wasn't too pissed about the console getting hacked because they still had control over xboxlive and who got the play. Since it was their first console anything that got people to use it would help down the road when the next console comes out.

          Not sure if this affects the original XBOX but some XBOX360 games had nasty copy protection on the PC versions ans those authentification servers are down now so you either have to rebuy the game on steam/GOG or play the console version.
          What I collect: 68K/Early PPC Mac, DOS/Win 3.1 era machines, Amiga/ST, C64/128
          Nubus/ISA/VLB/MCA/EISA cards of all types
          Boxed apps and games for the above systems
          Analog video capture cards/software and complete systems

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            #20
            Originally posted by tipc View Post
            Maybe you should refrain from answering anything if you're so easily offended.
            I'm not offended at all; you just have a weird way of communicating. Again, why ask for suggestions if you reject them without even looking the games up people suggest to you - just because the title sounds like ... to you?

            But don't worry, this is the last time I tried to help you.
            Last edited by Timo W.; April 6, 2021, 10:00 PM.

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              #21
              Sorry you sound offended lol.

              You seem to place a lot of stock in your suggestions. The idea behind "offering" suggestions is to offer aid to the questioner. Not get all blown out when someone calmly and politely states "that's not for me". We're all individuals. I'm not saying you did, but I've made stupid/thoughtless suggestions. It was a lesson for me to think a little harder next time. Not just ramble on about what I think is a good idea (again not accusing you of rambling or any such criminal activity).

              Yeah, admittedly I'm a little hard to understand at times. Despite your command of the English language, which seems quite good, there's still a language/cultural barrier. Dumpkopf IT'S A JOKE

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                #22
                Originally posted by tipc View Post
                Sorry you sound offended lol.

                You seem to place a lot of stock in your suggestions. The idea behind "offering" suggestions is to offer aid to the questioner. Not get all blown out when someone calmly and politely states "that's not for me". We're all individuals. I'm not saying you did, but I've made stupid/thoughtless suggestions. It was a lesson for me to think a little harder next time. Not just ramble on about what I think is a good idea (again not accusing you of rambling or any such criminal activity).

                Yeah, admittedly I'm a little hard to understand at times. Despite your command of the English language, which seems quite good, there's still a language/cultural barrier. Dumpkopf IT'S A JOKE
                your posts often seem autistic to be completely honest

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                  #23
                  I know I am. But what are you? Dumpkopf.

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                    #24
                    Seems like my message didn't go through, hopefully I'm not duplicating a post.
                    1. Halo
                    2. Grand Theft Auto
                    3. Halo 2
                    4. Ninja Gaiden Black
                    5. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
                    6. Burnout 3 : Takedown
                    7. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
                    8. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow
                    9. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
                    10. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell

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                      #25
                      Yeah my first suggestion was definitely going to be Halo lol. I can't recall too many that really fill that specific genre to be honest.

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