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This forum is part of our mission to promote the preservation of vintage computers through education and outreach. (In real life we also run events and have a museum.) We encourage you to join us, participate, share your knowledge, and enjoy.

This forum has been around in this format for over 15 years. These rules and guidelines help us maintain a healthy and active community, and we moderate the forum to keep things on track. Please familiarize yourself with these rules and guidelines.


Remain civil and respectful

There are several hundred people who actively participate here. People come from all different backgrounds and will have different ways of seeing things. You will not agree with everything you read here. Back-and-forth discussions are fine but do not cross the line into rude or disrespectful behavior.

Conduct yourself as you would at any other place where people come together in person to discuss their hobby. If you wouldn't say something to somebody in person, then you probably should not be writing it here.

This should be obvious but, just in case: profanity, threats, slurs against any group (sexual, racial, gender, etc.) will not be tolerated.


Stay close to the original topic being discussed
  • If you are starting a new thread choose a reasonable sub-forum to start your thread. (If you choose incorrectly don't worry, we can fix that.)
  • If you are responding to a thread, stay on topic - the original poster was trying to achieve something. You can always start a new thread instead of potentially "hijacking" an existing thread.



Contribute something meaningful

To put things in engineering terms, we value a high signal to noise ratio. Coming here should not be a waste of time.
  • This is not a chat room. If you are taking less than 30 seconds to make a post then you are probably doing something wrong. A post should be on topic, clear, and contribute something meaningful to the discussion. If people read your posts and feel that their time as been wasted, they will stop reading your posts. Worse yet, they will stop visiting and we'll lose their experience and contributions.
  • Do not bump threads.
  • Do not "necro-post" unless you are following up to a specific person on a specific thread. And even then, that person may have moved on. Just start a new thread for your related topic.
  • Use the Private Message system for posts that are targeted at a specific person.


"PM Sent!" messages (or, how to use the Private Message system)

This forum has a private message feature that we want people to use for messages that are not of general interest to other members.

In short, if you are going to reply to a thread and that reply is targeted to a specific individual and not of interest to anybody else (either now or in the future) then send a private message instead.

Here are some obvious examples of when you should not reply to a thread and use the PM system instead:
  • "PM Sent!": Do not tell the rest of us that you sent a PM ... the forum software will tell the other person that they have a PM waiting.
  • "How much is shipping to ....": This is a very specific and directed question that is not of interest to anybody else.


Why do we have this policy? Sending a "PM Sent!" type message basically wastes everybody else's time by making them having to scroll past a post in a thread that looks to be updated, when the update is not meaningful. And the person you are sending the PM to will be notified by the forum software that they have a message waiting for them. Look up at the top near the right edge where it says 'Notifications' ... if you have a PM waiting, it will tell you there.

Copyright and other legal issues

We are here to discuss vintage computing, so discussing software, books, and other intellectual property that is on-topic is fine. We don't want people using these forums to discuss or enable copyright violations or other things that are against the law; whether you agree with the law or not is irrelevant. Do not use our resources for something that is legally or morally questionable.

Our discussions here generally fall under "fair use." Telling people how to pirate a software title is an example of something that is not allowable here.


Reporting problematic posts

If you see spam, a wildly off-topic post, or something abusive or illegal please report the thread by clicking on the "Report Post" icon. (It looks like an exclamation point in a triangle and it is available under every post.) This send a notification to all of the moderators, so somebody will see it and deal with it.

If you are unsure you may consider sending a private message to a moderator instead.


New user moderation

New users are directly moderated so that we can weed spammers out early. This means that for your first 10 posts you will have some delay before they are seen. We understand this can be disruptive to the flow of conversation and we try to keep up with our new user moderation duties to avoid undue inconvenience. Please do not make duplicate posts, extra posts to bump your post count, or ask the moderators to expedite this process; 10 moderated posts will go by quickly.

New users also have a smaller personal message inbox limit and are rate limited when sending PMs to other users.


Other suggestions
  • Use Google, books, or other definitive sources. There is a lot of information out there.
  • Don't make people guess at what you are trying to say; we are not mind readers. Be clear and concise.
  • Spelling and grammar are not rated, but they do make a post easier to read.
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    I found these comments while visiting another forum.

    “Ha. You managed to dig up something really obscure. I know what SASI is, but I have never in my life actually seen a SASI device, much less these 8 inch floppy drives with 50 and 34 pin Shugart interfaces. To get an answer you're going to have to ask a really old fart. I presume this stuff is from the late 70s or maybe early 80s. VCfed is definitely the place to ask, full of old farts. Maybe in the S100 section.”

    They seemed to pick out ChuckG by name.


    Yeah vcfed.org is probably a better place to go. Chuck n Co. will sort you out fairly smartly.”

    Was posted by User “Anonymous Coward”.

    #2
    I'm definitely old, but I moderate my legume consumption, so I take issue with the second part of that appellation.

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      #3
      You never hear much about "young farts". Just because I'm old doesn't mean I smell old.
      Surely not everyone was Kung-fu fighting

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        #4
        For that matter, one never hears "dirty young man"...

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          #5
          Originally posted by Chuck(G) View Post
          I'm definitely old, but I moderate my legume consumption, so I take issue with the second part of that appellation.
          Surely it's a complement; 'fart' being an acronym for 'fine and respectable technician'.

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            #6
            Hey he did give Chuck credit as the goto Guy. It’s the rest of us old guys he was referring to.

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              #7
              I'm old and smelly. It is because I have less reason to shower, with the covid restrictions. Just be glad that you can't get covid with 5G.
              Dwight

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                #8
                Dwight I want to say I am old and ugly, but then again I have always been ugly, so I guess I am just old.

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                  #9
                  Not yet 60 so I don't know if I qualify as an old fart. But after riding a century you wouldn't want to be up wind of me ... oh and sometimes I fail to wash behind my ears.

                  I will say that over the years I have a weird collection of technology that I recall. Still not sure I qualify as old fart.

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                    #10
                    I remember when Turbo Pascal was the craze. I and another guy in his mid 30’s thought we will take a Pascal class at the community college. When we walked in the first day, a young blonde girl, probably 18 said “what do those two old farts think they can learn.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by modem7 View Post
                      Surely it's a complement; 'fart' being an acronym for 'fine and respectable technician'.
                      That’s a good one!
                      Compaq - It simply works better

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Chuck(G) View Post
                        For that matter, one never hears "dirty young man"...
                        A few years ago, in another forum that has nothing to do with computers, a forum member criticized the way of playing of an artist who had being deceased a few decades away. He said that this artist was an "old cheese". Another forum member replied him "and you are a young neat turd". I think that's the single best forum reply I've never read. Of course, I agree with the second poster.

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                          #13
                          I would say that alot of millenials dont have respect for anyone older than themselves. Not all, but many. Enough to be concerned with. My age group never thought all ages before us were wrong.... And we never made it a point to be completely different in every way from them. We thought we were SUPPOSED to grow up to be like them.

                          we get to look forward to an entire generation that will grow and show the world the repercussions of "Those that fail to learn from History are doomed to repeat it"

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                            #14
                            another comment, I posted this as a new topic when I should have just added it as a comment.

                            For restoration tips I'd suggest Vintage Computer Forum group. Those guys are real pros there. Schematic, cap replacement, oss, logic analyzer - they konw everything!

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                              #15
                              i'm old and I fart a lot so old farts is what I do

                              I'm damn good at it to acording to my wife.
                              Thomas Byers (DRI)- "You'll have a million people using the A> [MS-DOS prompt] forever. You'll have five million using [nongraphic] menu systems such as Topview, Concurrent PC-DOS, Desq, and those types. But there'll be 50 to 100 million using the iconic-based interfaces."

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