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    #16
    Originally posted by Unknown_K View Post
    These days everybody needs a cell phone (unless they never leave the house, don't have a job, and have no friends or relatives).
    NOBODY NEEDS A CELL PHONE!

    Thats the same bullsh*t argument I hear parents make when they give thier 11 year old a smartphone.... you people are insane.

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      #17
      I'll say this: the reason I have a cell phone rather than a land line is because they make road emergencies a whole lot more manageable (and/or survivable, depending on what kind of climate/conditions you're in.) Other than that, I'd never have bothered.
      Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
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      "'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup

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        #18
        Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
        NOBODY NEEDS A CELL PHONE!
        Sorry, but I need one to keep in contact with others that I know here on planet earth.
        Surely not everyone was Kung-Fu fighting

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          #19
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          Originally posted by Agent Orange View Post
          Sorry, but I need one to keep in contact with others that I know here on planet earth.
          Instantly and every second of the day? Really?

          This is another one of those sorts of things people sort of shame you in to thinking you must do. People these day want to micromanage eveyone around them. Everything must be INSTANT! AT ALL TIMES!

          They actually had to pass a "hands free" driving law here because too many people felt they HAD to take or make calls while driving, causing all kinds of accidents and fatalities. Of course, the only reason the corporations allowed it to pass was because everyone had to run out and buy all new hands free phone stuff.

          For people who are always on the go and out and about, fine. I'll be at my desk with a normal desk phone that doesn't make me sound like a robot trying to rape your ear. And if I'm out driving, well leave me a message or send me an e-mail. I'll get back to you whenever. :P.

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            #20
            A mostly true story (we didn't order it yet).

            Yesterday, a gentleman asked me for a pencil sharpener (which I didn't have with me this time). So I decided to bust on him a bit and handed him my mechanical pencil from 1983. He liked it so much we went up online and found him one, then ordered it. He should have it today.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Agent Orange View Post
              Sorry, but I need one to keep in contact with others that I know here on planet earth.
              You dont NEED one, you are missing the point. A land line would suit your needs (as it suited everyone's needs for decades). You CHOOSE to have a cell phone.

              Originally posted by SomeGuy View Post
              I'll be at my desk with a normal desk phone that doesn't make me sound like a robot trying to rape your ear. And if I'm out driving, well leave me a message or send me an e-mail. I'll get back to you whenever. :P.

              Im with you on that one.. You know what erks me? Peoples lack of shame these days. I NEVER have a cell phone conversation in public. IF I answer I state I cannot talk and will call them back. I dont want anyone hearing me while I speak. Why does noone else feel this way? Why do stupid middle aged women carry on full phone calls at the grocery store.. I hate cell phones and think they are the worst thing to happen to society... worse than the holocaust as we havent felt all the repercussions yet.. And they will be long standing..

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                #22
                Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
                I hate cell phones and think they are the worst thing to happen to society... worse than the holocaust...
                Now you've stepped in it!
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                  #23
                  Oh, Oh, Watch out! Dad's gonna shut us down on this if we're not careful!!

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                    #24
                    Phones and tablets are pretty much the same now. And you can run whatever software you can find. You can build your own Android version if you want and use one of the alternate software repositories and have nothing to do with Google.

                    I like old computers and land line phones. But the fact is that to get by in the modern world, you need a cell phone and a modern computer. But you can use a good cell phone or tablet to replace that computer.

                    You think you can go round without a cell phone. But have a car breakdown sometime. No one will stop to help you no matter what you do, and you're not going to walk somewhere with a payphone.

                    Or drive somewhere far away and end up on a broken detour. This actually happened to me last year. I could've driven round all day trying to find someone who could direct me back to the highway. But I had a cell phone with Google Maps. I punched in my destination and the drove in the right direction until I got a cell signal and a route. Sure I could've had a pile of maps too, hopefully they're current. Then I could stop and figure out where I am on the map.
                    Be polite and I may let you live.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
                      You dont NEED one, you are missing the point. A land line would suit your needs (as it suited everyone's needs for decades).
                      I appreciate your candor. However, if you're coming from downtown Detroit's Comerica Park after a ball game on some dark Saturday night and suddenly have a blow-out on the Ford or Chrysler freeway, you're sure as hell going to wish you had a cell phone in every pocket or at least a long extension cord on that land-line back home.
                      Surely not everyone was Kung-Fu fighting

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by ncherry View Post
                        A mostly true story (we didn't order it yet).

                        Yesterday, a gentleman asked me for a pencil sharpener (which I didn't have with me this time). So I decided to bust on him a bit and handed him my mechanical pencil from 1983. He liked it so much we went up online and found him one, then ordered it. He should have it today.
                        I had a huge smile on my face when a local office chain store went bankrupt around 2000 and they were ditching Pentel made in Japan 0.5 mechanical pencil sets (2 per container) for next to nothing and I snagged them all including enough lead refills to last my lifetime. Still might have some in the wrapper but most are around my desks in my room and the basement lab plus I lost a few here and there. I just love the rubber finger grip and the push button built into it to push out more lead (better design then the ones you needed to use your thumb at the back end where the thin eraser is). I wish I knew where to get cheap click erasers like I had in college in the 80's.s-l640.jpg
                        What I collect: 68K/Early PPC Mac, DOS/Win 3.1 era machines, Amiga/ST, C64/128
                        Nubus/ISA/VLB/MCA/EISA cards of all types
                        Boxed apps and games for the above systems
                        Analog video capture cards/software and complete systems

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Agent Orange View Post
                          I appreciate your candor. However, if you're coming from downtown Detroit's Comerica Park after a ball game on some dark Saturday night and suddenly have a blow-out on the Ford or Chrysler freeway, you're sure as hell going to wish you had a cell phone in every pocket or at least a long extension cord on that land-line back home.
                          yeah... Im not gonna argue with you on that situation.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
                            I hate cell phones and think they are the worst thing to happen to society... worse than the holocaust as we havent felt all the repercussions yet..
                            So, uh, how many millions of people have cell phones rounded up and gassed to death?
                            Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
                            Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/SH-09/MT-32/D-50, Yamaha DX7-II/V50/TX7/TG33/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini/ARP Odyssey/DW-8000/X5DR, Ensoniq SQ-80, E-mu Proteus/2, Moog Satellite, Oberheim SEM
                            "'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup

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                              #29
                              I suppose I could use a slide rule again, but calculators are so much more convenient.

                              This brings up a point--we have inventions that improve on an idea by improving the tools. For example, a typewriter instead of a pen.

                              Then we have new entities that are the real agents of change--video games, "social media", etc.

                              And then there are things that we accept now, but have not accepted earlier. For example, usury -> payday loans.
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                                #30
                                Usury is not new, just more publicised.

                                I still use slide rules. Sure I could write a calculator program to give me spindle speeds for different cutters in different materials, but a slide rule is handier.
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