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Website with new Apple II BASIC programs

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    Website with new Apple II BASIC programs

    Hi all,
    Now that I FINALLY figured out how to transfer programs I made on my Apple II+ to a modern computer with a serial connection, I made a website where a few of my programs are available to download. It's been a LONG time since I've made a website and I'm very rusty! (I had learned how to do it myself and I was never really that experienced to begin with). I had to re-learn some HTML code, and I had to look up things that have changed. The website is very basic (pun actually not intended!), but I'm happy with it so far and it gets the job done. I tried to give it kind of a "retro" look to go along with the theme of vintage 8-bit computers.

    The programs are in zip files. They include a .DO disk image which you can load in an emulator like AppleWin. There are also .wav files which you can use to transfer the program to a real Apple II computer, using the "cassette input" jack. I made the wav files with C2T. Just insert a blank disk into the Apple II drive, type "LOAD" and play the wav file. The program will be automatically copied onto the disk. Probably most of you are already familiar with the process. Most of the programs have 2 versions of the wav that will format the disk first, and another that doesn't format the disk. To be on the safe side, use a BLANK disk! I sometimes had some weird problems with the settings in C2T and I'm not 100 percent sure that it won't format the disk!

    I also included the BASIC source code in a separate folder, which you could use to transfer to a real Apple II with a serial connection by sending the text of the code.

    Please also be sure to read the README text file in the zip files. They tell a little more about the programs and how to use them. The "Map Maker" program is definitely the biggest and most complex program. I wrote a thorough manual that explains everything about the program and how to use it...I definitely recommend reading it!

    At the moment, I have 3 programs available - "Cozy Cottage," "Common Calculations," and "Map Maker." I'm working on more!

    If anyone is interested in physical copies of the program with a floppy disk and printed manual, just let me know. I had the manual for Map Maker printed and bound, and it turned out pretty nice!

    Here's the address for the website. Please a take a look and let me know what you think!

    - Chris Tobar

    I dig the retro website.
    Looks like good stuff to try out on my first Apple-ish machine once it's running.


      Thank you!
      I'm working on new programs, which I should be ready to add to the site soon.


        That was easy code to convert to my preferred BASIC.


          More programs just added!
          - a drawing program, called "ColorBit"
          - a simple text editing program, called TextStar. (And YES, that is a play on words for WordStar! LOL)