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    Handheld Computer / Digital Diary / Organiser with PC connectivity

    I'd like to use a vintage computing device for logging amateur radio activations. The requirements would suit a vintage handheld computer from the 1980s or a Digital Diary/Organiser.
    1. Standard Qwerty layout keyboard with numbers above.
    2. Preferably not clamshell but one piece (if clamshell it would be important that the keyboard doesn't extend to the upper part for usability).
    3. Connectivity with a PC. the simpler the better
    The idea is it is lightweight, not power hungry but with a real keyboard. I operate amateur radio from fell and mountain tops. Using a mobile phone with external keyboard just won't work out in the field practically, it needs to be one unit. One option is the Psion 3A, but something even simpler would be fine. I don't really want a phone with a keyboard, as I have a phone which is fine now. I would rather this device had one purpose. Transferring the ASCII log file to a PC should be straightforward. I appreciate that there are programs for example for the Casio FX-720p with FT-3 tape interface that could record a file on a PC as a sound file and convert that, but a serial interface would be even better. I have a Panasonic Toughbook CF-31 with a 'proper' RS232 connector.

    Log entries are like this:

    20m ssb
    1415 ea2if/p 14.285 59 57 sota ea2/ad-123

    for example, normally a log file wouldn't be more than say 40-60 of these lines maximum, and I only need to store one log at a time.

    Any ideas? This would seem like the best place to ask. If had a search around the internet but not really found anything obvious. Happy to code up a simple logging program in BASIC if required.

    Thanks. Mark.

    #2
    I was going to recommend the psion 3A but you already know about it.
    Toshiba T1000 w/ modem & memory upgrade
    Compaq Deskpro 4/25iS (Win3.1)
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    wanted: dx2odp66 or similar (169 pin overdrive chip)

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      #3
      FYI the keyboard on the 5mx is better if you have bigger fingers like me. I might also suggest that instead of direct transfer you consider that a lot of devices have a cf slot. Cf cards are a lot cheaper than the special and increasingly rare rs232 cables for a lot of these devices.
      Toshiba T1000 w/ modem & memory upgrade
      Compaq Deskpro 4/25iS (Win3.1)
      Apple //e

      wanted: dx2odp66 or similar (169 pin overdrive chip)

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        #4
        I think the issue that may give you problems is PC connectivity and you may end up needing a virtual XP or older machine to connect to, although I must admit its a long time since I used any Psion Link software/
        Dave
        G4UGM

        Looking for Analog Computers, Drum Plotters, and Graphics Terminals.

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          #5
          There is a working Linux utility for connecting to the 3A. If you go for a 5 or 5mx you can just use the cf card to transfer data though.
          Toshiba T1000 w/ modem & memory upgrade
          Compaq Deskpro 4/25iS (Win3.1)
          Apple //e

          wanted: dx2odp66 or similar (169 pin overdrive chip)

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            #6
            Depending on how stuck you are on "handheld" vs. "ultra-light portable," the AlphaSmart Dana is a PalmOS device, so it should work with jPilot, has USB connectivity built-in (no need for a dock,) and has a real "real keyboard." Even has a user-accessible rechargeable battery, which definitely isn't something you see on modern portable devices
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              #7
              What’d you end up going with?
              Toshiba T1000 w/ modem & memory upgrade
              Compaq Deskpro 4/25iS (Win3.1)
              Apple //e

              wanted: dx2odp66 or similar (169 pin overdrive chip)

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                #8
                Probably not what you want, but if you’re willing to learn, Palm OS devices with “Graffiti” handwriting recognition work great, but you’ve gotta learn the system (it’s super easy).

                And, the Apple Newton MessagePads running OS 2.0 and up have really good print and cursive handwriting recognition.
                Compaq - It simply works better

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                  #9
                  Just to add to that, the psion 5mx has good pen input and there are some handwriting recognition apps out there although I don’t think they were ever very widely used.
                  Toshiba T1000 w/ modem & memory upgrade
                  Compaq Deskpro 4/25iS (Win3.1)
                  Apple //e

                  wanted: dx2odp66 or similar (169 pin overdrive chip)

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                    #10
                    I wasn’t aware that there was handwriting recognition software for Psions, pretty cool. Would like to play with one of the newer Psion devices, but I have yet to get one.

                    I do have a Psion II from around 1986 that I found at Goodwill. It’s a really interesting device. I wish I had the serial cable for it so I could hook it up to one of my old IBM PCs or XTs.
                    Compaq - It simply works better

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                      #11
                      I have a 3a and a 5 and 5mx. I’ve never tried handwriting recognition myself but I’ve seen the apps here and there. The pen on the 5mx is fun for doodling and jotting quick notes but what really stands out to me is the keyboard which feels surprisingly standard for such a small device.
                      Toshiba T1000 w/ modem & memory upgrade
                      Compaq Deskpro 4/25iS (Win3.1)
                      Apple //e

                      wanted: dx2odp66 or similar (169 pin overdrive chip)

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