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    Just a question about Mac's

    What is/was the best 68k Mac made? In as far as performance etc. Also while on the subject what was the fastest B/W Mac. You know like the original Mac with 9" screen ? Jsut wanted opinions.
    *FrankG*

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    As far as I can tell from looking at old specifications on the web, the most powerful 68k Mac was either the Quadra 950 or the Quadra 840AV, depending on whether your software supported the 840AV’s DSP chip or not. As far as the black-and-white compact Macs went, by far the most capable in terms of hardware was the SE/30 — though it couldn’t run OS 7.6.x, I’ve read indications that 7.5.5 can be made to do almost as much. If you relax your specifications to “most powerful compact Mac,” the Colour Classic II can be heavily upgraded with a more modern motherboard etc. and becomes very capable when you do.
    the world’s only gsteemso
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      #3
      Originally posted by gsteemso View Post
      As far as I can tell from looking at old specifications on the web, the most powerful 68k Mac was either the Quadra 950 or the Quadra 840AV, depending on whether your software supported the 840AV’s DSP chip or not. As far as the black-and-white compact Macs went, by far the most capable in terms of hardware was the SE/30 — though it couldn’t run OS 7.6.x, I’ve read indications that 7.5.5 can be made to do almost as much. If you relax your specifications to “most powerful compact Mac,” the Colour Classic II can be heavily upgraded with a more modern motherboard etc. and becomes very capable when you do.
      Totally, SE/30 is one of my favs, can really do a lot with one as far as classic macs go (there are processor upgrades, NIC cards, video cards) it can be made into a VERY capable B&W mac. If you dump tons of upgrades and money into it it can even be forced to run OS 8.1 (though that's not an easy task, its a real hack, need IIsi or IIfx roms, and a bunch of res-editing).

      The Color Classic II (and plain Color Classic for that matter) are really neat machines, and also have a good upgrade path, one person is known to have one upgraded all the way to a G3 500mhz, but that also took some serious hackery (with hacksaws and all, not a mod for most people). Most people can get it to a very capable 68040 or even low end PPC with off the shelf upgrade parts though.

      Side note, I am really pissed my SE/30 rusted away beyond repair, will never leave computers in non-climate controlled storage ever again. Can't wait to get my hands on another one some day when the price is right
      My Vintage computer/blog site
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        #4
        Currently I own a Mac Classic, Apple IIgs and an Apple IIe Platinum. I really like the mac classic but the 8Mhz 68000 is a little on the slow side. I did have a color classic a little while back but the main board gave out so I wound up trashing it. I wished it would have survived! I was looking at the SE/30 and a Calssic II. But funds are very tight and won't even think about possibly getting an SE/30 for a while. That's all the Apple stuff I have the rest are PC's and compatibles.
        *FrankG*

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          #5
          I myself liked the Centris 610 because of it's support for a CD rom drive build in, rather than an external one. I know you'll get many answers though as to which is best. I seem to remember there was a PowerPC 601 upgrade for the SE/30 but I can't remember.

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            #6
            The SE/30 is by far my favorite Compact Mac..
            Mine has 48MB RAM Installed.. a 2GB Internal SCSI Drive.. a Network card. It runs A/UX 3.0.1.. Darn nice machine.

            As far as the most expandable.. Id have to say the quadra 950.. I own one.. and its quite useful. Has room for a ton of internal hard drives- Internal CD-ROM.. Nice fast 040, Expandable to 256MB RAM.. Mine currently has 128MB RAM in it and a 2GB Drive. Its used as an IRC machine, Data recovery system and for some great 040 games

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              #7
              I love the SE/30 because it's got all the neat features of compact Macs (ultra-crisp monitor, small footprint, sweet design) backed up by computing power more comparable to a mid-range 68k desktop model. I really need to get mine up and running...

              Color Classic looks like a pretty good machine, but I just cannot stand its look...that whole period in Mac industrial design never did it for me.
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                #8
                I also love my SE/30. Very fast.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by tezza View Post
                  I also love my SE/30. Very fast.
                  Indeed it is. It loads up applications very fast and shuts down in less than a second (literally), I vote for the Macintosh SE.
                  ~Ian~

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                    #10
                    Well if someone would like to donate a SE/30 I wouldn't refuse to take it. Might even consider a trade for one.
                    *FrankG*

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                      #11
                      If I had a spare to get rid of I would.. One runs A/UX, the other runs my AppleShare Server.. Good rock solid reliable systems.

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                        #12
                        Everyone's making me want to go pay ebay prices for a SE/30 now, must resist, wait for one that's not overpriced, lol.
                        My Vintage computer/blog site
                        Searching for a keyboard for a WYSEpc WY-1100.

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                          #13
                          Resistancs is futile...The Borg. You must go to EBay and buy one now...
                          *FrankG*

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Chromedome45 View Post
                            Resistancs is futile...The Borg. You must go to EBay and buy one now...
                            Someone here on the forum has made me an offer I cannot refuse, will be doing a trade for one, will finally once again be a proud SE/30 owner.
                            My Vintage computer/blog site
                            Searching for a keyboard for a WYSEpc WY-1100.

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                              #15
                              I guess the SE/30 is the way to go. But it will be a while till I can get one.
                              *FrankG*

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