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Things to consider when buying a Macintosh SE

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  • #16
    My suggestions echo what has been said here:

    1. always inspect the inside of the mac for exploded battery (and then remove the batt when you get it and replace w/ coin type)
    2. wait and get a FDHD, you will save a lot of time by being able to use the 1.4M floppies in newer macs (or setup AppleTalk and transfer software that way-> NetaTalk)

    They are the 2nd best Mac (first is the se/30) and I love using mine.
    Hacking IRIX


    • #17
      I have never even come across an SE/30 in the wild. I have come across DOZENS AND DOZENS of the rest. (most of which are the horrific Classics which I wont touch with a stick.. All of them melted by batteries,, just best to assume is dead and not waste a buck on them!)

      Seems the SE/30 is as elusive as the Twiggy Mac, in places I searched anyway


      • #18
        If you were around any east coast uni in the 90's then they were to be had for nothing by the dozens. I used to have about 5, and slowly gave or traded away (or left as I moved around) except for one I kept and re-capped. I would see them in Craig's list every once in a while but yes, in the past 10 years they have become more scarce as have a lot of things. I can only imagine how many have been destroyed by Varta...

        The 'Twiggy Mac' IMHO is a SE/30 with a Radius Color Card and Apple 13" RGB monitor on the side..
        Hacking IRIX


        • #19
          I almost have the "awesome Mac" as well. I have a mobius Expansion board for the SE which has a 68030 at 25mhz and a 25mhz FPU with 4 more RAM slots (so essentially my SE is an SE/30... Mostly) It has an expansion for video out but I dont have the connector.. Supposedly someone reverse engineered the pin header and got it to work but the video card option on mine sits blank.. Would be pretty nice to hook it up to a portrait monitor or something unique. But I suppose a color monitor running 640 x 480 or better would be nice.


          • #20
            I'm guessing you have the TotalSystems Gemini Ultra upgrade board, at least that's what it sounds like. I have one of those boards too, and it's actually faster than an SE/30.

            The only problem is that the memory on the upgrade board can't be used as normal system memory, so you're stuck with the 4 MB max, vs the 128 MB of the SE/30. There is a way to map it to a RAM Disk and use it for virtual memory via Compact Virtual, but it's not the same as having physical memory and applications will be memory bottlenecked still.

            As for the external video on the board, it's not really worth it. It runs at a strange non-standard resolution and is still only black and white, not even greyscale.


            • #21
              Really? The drivers i have loaded say 8mb system ram. 4 on board and 4 on mainboard.

              If the video out ran at anything higher than the low res compact mac screen. With the 68030 cpu run some real mac games.


              • #22
                I have 16 MB on my board and while Gemstart can see that it has 16 MB, increasing the available memory with the slider instead uses the hard drive as virtual memory.

                Another problem is the fragmented memory map in the 68000 address space. Instead of a contiguous block of memory mapped devices, they're all over the place in the 4-16 MB region. Since applications need a contiguous chunk of addressable memory, this reduces the maximum size of application you can run. One of the accelerator control panels has an option to reallocate where system devices are located in memory, but this breaks compatibility with some software expecting things to be at certain locations.

                As for the video resolution, it's a mixed bag. If an application is just checking the screen size, then it will help having a larger display, but many games also check the bit depth and will still not launch if the detected bit depth is below a certain number.


                • #23
                  Originally posted by GiGaBiTe View Post
                  There's really not a lot in the realm of "specs", all Macintosh SE machines are the same, bar the RAM and storage options. They can come with 1, 2.5 or 4 MB of RAM and either one 800k floppy drive and a 20 MB hard drive, or two 800k floppy drives. The later Macintosh SE FDHD has one 1.44MB floppy and one 20 MB hard drive. This is the preferable machine to have because 800k floppies can only be read and written on other 68k Macs.

                  The more important thing to look out for is internally damaged/destroyed machines. Any compact mac is going to have a high chance of the clock battery exploding and leaking all over the logic board and the frame. Problems with the analog board and power supply are also common due to failed/leaking capacitors. Bad solder joints on the analog board and neck board are also very common due to the heat. The CRT having bad burn-in is yet another issue if the machine has high hours since people tended to not use screen savers on their machine.

                  In the worst case, you can end up spending several hundred dollars in parts for an old Mac SE to get it working.
                  Thanks for information.