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Intel Professional Workstation - Unknown OnBoard Ethernet/LAN-Controller&Motherboard

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    Intel Professional Workstation - Unknown OnBoard Ethernet/LAN-Controller&Motherboard

    Hello to all in this Forum.

    I'm new in this forum and I hope that someone can help for my special wish.
    The reason is: I've taken my Intel-based Professional Workstation - [Panther] - year 1992 ( ? with a LP486E motherboard ? ) from the attic.
    I'm sure, it is the same as in the Youtube videos - "An Intel Branded EISA-Based 486 Desktop Computer? (Part 1 to Part 3 - e.g.".
    Because this PC was not used about 20 years the Dallas DS1287 RTC chip was empty. So, all BIOS-/LAN- and EISA-settings were lost.
    I've replaced the DS1287 now by a DS12887 and I also replaced the original hard drive (she was unfunctional) with a CONNER CFS-210A 210MB 3.5 SL IDE AT with an already installed Windows95 OSR2.
    In the Phoenix SETUP Utility (Version 1.00.xx S0D) [ = nearly the same as the BIOS in YouTube video] I entered the corresponding hard drive CHS parameters and the workstation starts without any problems and Windows 95 is loaded.
    This workstation-model has no CDROM-Drive, no USB nor other installed cards beside two unused EISA-Slots.
    Beside the hard disk, she has a floppy drive and in addition to their standard connections, an "on board LAN-Controller".
    I do'nt know the specifications for this LAN/Ethernet-Controller. Is it 3com or Intel or Novell or Realtek or something other? I don't know but it's necessary to make the LAN-Controller known in the system and then establish a network connection to the Internet via LAN.
    The problem is, that I don't know the specs which mainboard, which LAN-Controller is installed in the PC and which settings in the system control panels or in the EISA Configuration Utility are necessary!
    So I used a EISA Configuration Utility 2.0 (downloaded from the URL to enable onboard LAN-Controller and also in the BIOS I enabled onboard LAN-Controller.
    Then I tried the network option for INTEL here "82595-based-Ethernet" (which is one of many others, such as 3com, Novell, Realtek etc.) and some others, but after the restarts the PC hangs with the Windows 95 screen or loops or displays errors.
    Therefore I would like to ask all, if someone in this forum could help, how to set up an Internet connection via Ethernet/LAN.

    I have neither floppy disks for an "EISA Configuration Utility (ECU)" nor for Windows 95.
    As ECU, I downloaded the “LP486E Drivers DOS OS / 2 Windows” from the URL and installed this ECU on the workstation.

    Has someone of you a workstation like my?
    What could be the brand of my motherboard and which onboard LAN Controller could it be?
    My System shows as network-option for INTEL e.g. "82595-based-Ethernet" which is one of many others (e.g. 3com, Novell, Realtek,etc.).
    What's needed for LAN activation & connection to Internet and wich settings and steps are to do?
    Has anybody used a harddisk greater than 504MB (e.g. 160GB) with such a workstation?

    Kindly regards

    Robert (not the youngest)

    A picture of this PC can also be seen at

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    In the \LP486E\Lan-Win\ folder is the relevant Windows 95 network driver .inf file and the needed inf/vxd files.

    Select "HAVE DISK" and navigate to that directory to install the appropriate driver file. The network chip is an unusual (and unusually configured) Intel 82596.The readme.txt file in that directory explains it all.


      Hello Phillip

      After a month I will be in touch and can report the following:


      Your posting was the breakthrough. The driver for the "Intel 82596CA on-board LAN controller" is installed.

      Then I installed different browsers (IE3.x, IE4.x, Netscape, Firefox and lastly the IE5.x).
      I changed the encryption strength in IE5.x from 40-bit to 128-bit.
      Also I've enabled the Internet option "Access Data Across Domains".
      Then I searched on and received the corresponding search results for the search terms entered.
      But when I click one of these search result links, I get error messages such as:
      "The attempt to load ........ failed." or "Access Denied" or "Exception error in module MSHTML.DLL" or
      "The page cannot be displayed - DNSerror".

      What is the most likely cause of these errors?
      Are the "Use HTTP 1.1" or "Use PCT | SSL | TLS" settings causing these errors?

      Thanks again for your help!

      Robert (not the youngest)

      See some attached hardcopies.
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        Absolutely no internet browser that old is going to be able to access 95% of google's results as they will all be expecting considerably higher encryption under HTTPS. Try and go to sites known to not enforce modern https standards.
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          You can also visit modern sites by using a legacy or rendering proxy on a second machine. There are several; one such is described here. Of course, there are limits to this technique, but you can gain at least some functionality.
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            Thanks to NeXT and Chuck(G) for their informations and recommentations.
            I will try this, but it will take its time.
            After that I will report if Ihad success.