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    #31
    By the way, Wikipedia claims that the Super386 suffered from errors and incompatibilities compared to the real deal, but Google hardly turns up any information on the chip, let alone its compatibility. Any idea what they're talking about?
    Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
    Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/SH-09/MT-32/D-50, Yamaha DX7-II/V50/TX7/TG33/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini/ARP Odyssey/DW-8000/X5DR, Ensoniq SQ-80, E-mu Proteus/2, Moog Satellite, Oberheim SEM
    "'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup

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      #32
      Blargh. I got a 4.3GB hard drive (Quantum Fireball SE) to serve as a new hard drive for this machine. The BIOS allows for a custom hard drive type that takes very large CHS values with no complaint (up to 32GB!) so I punched in the values printed on the drive faceplate. After a little fiddling around with the master/slave jumpers it was good to go, and even loaded the boot sector off the drive with no problem, though it didn't actually boot (FDISK showed an HPFS partition, and an OS/2 boot disk mounted it, but couldn't read it, so I expect it got corrupted somewhere along the line.)

      Unfortunately, I've been having a heck of a time getting it partitioned for DOS. Even though the BIOS calculated the drive size correctly, FDISK (both the MS-DOS and FreeDOS versions) only recognized a 284MB capacity. I took it out and put it in my XP box and was able to set up a couple 2GB partitions, but once I'd done that, the 386's BIOS no longer recognizes the drive! I'm a little baffled by this; I can only assume that XP does something to the MBR that this old BIOS doesn't like. I'm going to try throwing it in my Windows 98 box and hope that that can help things, but I'm a little lost here...
      Last edited by commodorejohn; May 4, 2012, 08:24 AM.
      Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
      Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/SH-09/MT-32/D-50, Yamaha DX7-II/V50/TX7/TG33/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini/ARP Odyssey/DW-8000/X5DR, Ensoniq SQ-80, E-mu Proteus/2, Moog Satellite, Oberheim SEM
      "'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup

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        #33
        Update: Okay, I'm pretty sure this is just a BIOS issue; the Pentium box handled it with no problems whatsoever. Aggravating that the 386 can understand large drive sizes, but is only interested in them academically. Probably also means I nuked a working HPFS partition I could've dug through, but oh well, moving on. I've seen a bit around here about there being an XT-IDE BIOS overlay that enables the use of large drives on older machines; is this just a drop-in-and-go process? I do have a 3Com 3C515-TX NIC in this machine that has a ROM socket; is there a possibility someone could write me an EEPROM for it?
        Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
        Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/SH-09/MT-32/D-50, Yamaha DX7-II/V50/TX7/TG33/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini/ARP Odyssey/DW-8000/X5DR, Ensoniq SQ-80, E-mu Proteus/2, Moog Satellite, Oberheim SEM
        "'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup

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          #34
          Just curious, but why not try out the quantum overlay first? Its free and requires little if any effort. Should work for what you want to do.

          Quantum Diagnostic
          http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/12...c/powermax.rar

          Quantum ontrack 9.52
          http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/12...e_pc/DC952.rar

          Just make sure to back up the overlay onto your install diskette. That way in case anything happens you can restore the overlay easily with the repair feature. Also I believe it requires windows to image the diskettes. Both are bootable btw if I recall correctly. It should also set the settings in CMOS for you, well it does on MOST systems...
          Last edited by twolazy; May 4, 2012, 12:40 PM.
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          Currently seeking a Compaq Deskpro 386

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            #35
            I don't think that'll help, since the BIOS doesn't even want to talk to the drive anymore...besides, it looks like the XT-IDE BIOS is free except for the EEPROM cost (if I've picked this up correctly from discussion here,) and that should circumvent the problem entirely.

            General question: I am understanding this correctly from other threads, that the XT-IDE BIOS extension will work with other ATA controllers, and I can use the ROM socket on my NIC to install it? Does anyone know what kind of EEPROMs the above NIC accepts? (Ideally, could someone program it for me? I have an EEPROM burner but I don't know that I have the right size ROM.)
            Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
            Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/SH-09/MT-32/D-50, Yamaha DX7-II/V50/TX7/TG33/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini/ARP Odyssey/DW-8000/X5DR, Ensoniq SQ-80, E-mu Proteus/2, Moog Satellite, Oberheim SEM
            "'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup

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              #36
              Well depends which version you pick. Some are 8kb , AT based is 16kb. So 27c64 for 16kb. Should be able to use a 27c128/27c256 on almost any nic, just copy the bin 2x/4x into 1 file, or append with all 0's, and use that 32k/64k bin on the eprom programmer.

              The overlay works regardless if the bios see's it full size correctly, be it the Quantum overlay or XT-IDE. Set the bios to 1023 16 63 or 1024 16 63 (think type 40?)


              Or you can buy one of these, I am myself, it basically works the same as using the eprom in a nic, but uses flash instead. Mucho easier to update!
              http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcfo...ISA-ROM-Boards
              '. \ / .'
              '. .'``'. .'
              ......:::::::`.....`::
              Currently seeking a Compaq Deskpro 386

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                #37
                PROGRESS! I burned an XT-IDE 2.0 EEPROM and stuck it in the NIC; the system now recognizes the full drive capacity. Got it formatting and MS-DOS 6.22 install disks a-writing.

                Still haven't imaged the original drive...I'm too damn lazy sometimes.

                Now I just gotta figure out what to do with the other 2.3 GB...think I might give OS/2 a shot, just for kicks.
                Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
                Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/SH-09/MT-32/D-50, Yamaha DX7-II/V50/TX7/TG33/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini/ARP Odyssey/DW-8000/X5DR, Ensoniq SQ-80, E-mu Proteus/2, Moog Satellite, Oberheim SEM
                "'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup

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                  #38
                  Good stuff. Be sure to post your OS/2 trials and tribulations
                  Thomas Byers (DRI)- "You'll have a million people using the A> [MS-DOS prompt] forever. You'll have five million using [nongraphic] menu systems such as Topview, Concurrent PC-DOS, Desq, and those types. But there'll be 50 to 100 million using the iconic-based interfaces."

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                    #39
                    Well, got just about all of the basic setup done; it's booting DOS 6.22 and Windows for Workgroups, the AWE32 is installed and working (killed way too much time playing around with this last night,) and the CD drive is functioning fine which means no more copying stuff over via floppy disk. Also got a ton of games loaded on it, though a lot of them I haven't even unpacked yet.

                    It's not quite done; I still have to get networking set up, and I still haven't been able to track down a Windows 3.1 driver for the video card outside of DriverGuide (I'd like SVGA resolutions, but I don't like the idea of giving them money on principle.) I also haven't given OS2 a shot yet. But hey, this is still quite a bit of progress.

                    (I'm a little peeved that Descent doesn't want to run at a playable framerate, even with the quality cranked down - I swear I've run it at half a playable rate on a 386SX-16, and this is twice the clock and twice the bus width...argh. DOOM works, but it'd be better if I had a 40MHz processor, I think...)
                    Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
                    Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/SH-09/MT-32/D-50, Yamaha DX7-II/V50/TX7/TG33/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini/ARP Odyssey/DW-8000/X5DR, Ensoniq SQ-80, E-mu Proteus/2, Moog Satellite, Oberheim SEM
                    "'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup

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                      #40
                      Which video card driver do you need from driverguide? I have a paid membership and I'd be happy to get it out of their site and send it to you. Or which video card is it? I may have drivers here for win 3.11, I have a few of em.

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                        #41
                        It's a Diamond Flower VG-2000. This looks to be the right file on DriverGuide.
                        Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
                        Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/SH-09/MT-32/D-50, Yamaha DX7-II/V50/TX7/TG33/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini/ARP Odyssey/DW-8000/X5DR, Ensoniq SQ-80, E-mu Proteus/2, Moog Satellite, Oberheim SEM
                        "'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup

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                          #42
                          Sorry for the delay, I ran off to raid a thrift store going out of business.

                          Got your file for you, mirrored it over here: http://www.outfoxed.net/misc/VG-2000.ZIP

                          I looked through it a litle and it looks more like ms-dos drivers than windows 3.1 drivers but.. good luck.

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                            #43
                            Hmm, it does. There's also this one, which alleges to be for Win95 but some of the comments say is for NT and 3.1.

                            Anything good at the thrift store?
                            Computers: Amiga 1200, DEC VAXStation 4000/60, DEC MicroPDP-11/73
                            Synthesizers: Roland JX-10/SH-09/MT-32/D-50, Yamaha DX7-II/V50/TX7/TG33/FB-01, Korg MS-20 Mini/ARP Odyssey/DW-8000/X5DR, Ensoniq SQ-80, E-mu Proteus/2, Moog Satellite, Oberheim SEM
                            "'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling." - Bjarne Stroustrup

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                              #44
                              I came home with about 60 some odd jewel cases of old software for dos and windows 95 or 3.1 I've never heard of before all for $1.50, and about 6 boxes of DD 360kb 5.25" floppies, brand new sealed in the box, all 6 boxes for another $1.50 ... anyway, want me to get that one for you too?

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by commodorejohn View Post
                                Hmm, it does. There's also this one, which alleges to be for Win95 but some of the comments say is for NT and 3.1.
                                in the ZIP file itself, the Readme and INF files say Windows 95 - no mention of 3.x or NT. Looks like a genuine 95 setup disk.
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