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  • RaptorZX3
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    The seller told me to call him, but i'll pay long distance fees...why can't he give me a quote by email?

    The Tseng ET4000AX seem to be a good choice for a DOS-only setup.

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  • PeterNC
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    A matter of convenience. Some people do not care about $: they care about ease of shopping. When you have good query skills and a good eye you can still get super bargains on eBay for many common vintage components. They are mislabeled, buried in lots and so on.

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  • Anonymous Coward
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    I can't believe how much ISA graphics adapters on ebay are listed for. Pretty much anything that isn't bottom of the barrel will sell for at least $50. A few years back you would have a hard time paying somebody to take a Cirrus Logic VGA card off your hands.

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  • RaptorZX3
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    i'll try to get in touch with the seller, i live in Canada and Amazon.com won't let me buy it.

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  • Anonymous Coward
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    Originally posted by RaptorZX3 View Post
    The Universal VESA driver support the on-board video, but doesn't support the GD5320 (Cirrus Logic) ISA card. My game (Relentless: Twinsen's Adventure) do work when i select "Cirrus Logic chipset" or "don't know" in the setup menu (with the on-board video), but the text seem to be corrupted a bit (2D graphics seem to be ok, menu and realtime 3D graphics are a bit screwed up).

    But which ISA card would you recommend me? one that's not ridiculously overpriced and is doing the job right.
    This one isn't too outrageous:

    http://www.amazon.com/Video-Diamond-...SIN=B00B86WE2C

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  • RaptorZX3
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    The Universal VESA driver support the on-board video, but doesn't support the GD5320 (Cirrus Logic) ISA card. My game (Relentless: Twinsen's Adventure) do work when i select "Cirrus Logic chipset" or "don't know" in the setup menu (with the on-board video), but the text seem to be corrupted a bit (2D graphics seem to be ok, menu and realtime 3D graphics are a bit screwed up).

    But which ISA card would you recommend me? one that's not ridiculously overpriced and is doing the job right.
    Last edited by RaptorZX3; July 29, 2014, 10:50 AM.

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  • smeezekitty
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    Originally posted by RaptorZX3 View Post
    So i tried installing Relentless on my 486, and the game say my video card don't support VESA or something, i tried using a Cirrus Logic ISA card (GD5320), and selecting Cirrus Logic chipset in the game setup, and it didn't worked.

    This board actually use a strange on-board video chipset called "Headland Technology HT216-32-AUPD". I can't find any DOS driver for this or the Cirrus Logic card, and i don't even know if they do support SVGA.

    One thing i remember though, i remember i was able to play this game on my 386SX 25Mhz computer at the time (even if the game require 486 25Mhz). So...if i can't do a thing about this ISA card or on-board chipset, what would be a great ISA video card to put in that support SVGA/VESA?
    Can you try the universal vesa driver?

    ftp://ftp.chatnfiles.com/Beachware-1...S30/UNIVBE.EXE

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  • RaptorZX3
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    So i tried installing Relentless on my 486, and the game say my video card don't support VESA or something, i tried using a Cirrus Logic ISA card (GD5320), and selecting Cirrus Logic chipset in the game setup, and it didn't worked.

    This board actually use a strange on-board video chipset called "Headland Technology HT216-32-AUPD". I can't find any DOS driver for this or the Cirrus Logic card, and i don't even know if they do support SVGA.

    One thing i remember though, i remember i was able to play this game on my 386SX 25Mhz computer at the time (even if the game require 486 25Mhz). So...if i can't do a thing about this ISA card or on-board chipset, what would be a great ISA video card to put in that support SVGA/VESA?

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  • Unknown_K
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    Originally posted by Anonymous Coward View Post
    Is there a reason to bother with the viper? It's only good at 256 colour accellerated graphics, right?
    I would only use it in a 256 color Windows 3.1 machine for business apps (if you like to mess around with those). Not for gaming or high color use.

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  • salamontagne
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    Sorry to butt in here, but I'm trying to remember a card i havent seen in over a decade.

    It was a 16-bit ISA (not VLB) SVGA card that had composite and/or SVHS output.

    I'm asking because I'm putting together a 486 machine that dosent really need high end graphics for dos
    (I have a newer p3 machine for that)

    Its will basically be limited to Deskview and Win 3.11. As i recall, the abovementioned card did 16K colors just fine (1 or 2MB onboard)

    Its been over a decade since ive had to deal with this, so plz excuse my dusty brain here :P

    Does anyone know what card it was?

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  • Anonymous Coward
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    Is there a reason to bother with the viper? It's only good at 256 colour accellerated graphics, right?

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  • Unknown_K
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    Not sure how many they made or how long they produced that card. Since they used a separate generic VGA core they could have sourced quite a few different ones. That and the different VRAM layout (surface mount would be cheaper I think).

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  • njroadfan
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    Originally posted by Unknown_K View Post
    Matrox did make high end graphics cards for VLB (they did well in 24 bit for speed).

    https://picasaweb.google.com/1077842...10059166487266
    Looking through those pictures, how many revisions did Diamond make of that Viper VLB? Three cards there all completely different in layout and I got a 4th version (A7) here in the box.

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  • Unknown_K
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    Matrox did make high end graphics cards for VLB (they did well in 24 bit for speed).

    https://picasaweb.google.com/1077842...10059166487266

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  • MatthewH12
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    I'm not sure of the ramdac. I've found if I've used an ALTPARM Tool it comes with, and load the "Ergonomic" profile, it'll do above 60Hz in Windows, but it messes up dos games. Problem with LCD's is they usually can't handle all the resolutions of these vintage systems, can they?

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