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    #46
    So i tried installing Relentless on my 486, and the game say my video card don't support VESA or something, i tried using a Cirrus Logic ISA card (GD5320), and selecting Cirrus Logic chipset in the game setup, and it didn't worked.

    This board actually use a strange on-board video chipset called "Headland Technology HT216-32-AUPD". I can't find any DOS driver for this or the Cirrus Logic card, and i don't even know if they do support SVGA.

    One thing i remember though, i remember i was able to play this game on my 386SX 25Mhz computer at the time (even if the game require 486 25Mhz). So...if i can't do a thing about this ISA card or on-board chipset, what would be a great ISA video card to put in that support SVGA/VESA?

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      #47
      Originally posted by RaptorZX3 View Post
      So i tried installing Relentless on my 486, and the game say my video card don't support VESA or something, i tried using a Cirrus Logic ISA card (GD5320), and selecting Cirrus Logic chipset in the game setup, and it didn't worked.

      This board actually use a strange on-board video chipset called "Headland Technology HT216-32-AUPD". I can't find any DOS driver for this or the Cirrus Logic card, and i don't even know if they do support SVGA.

      One thing i remember though, i remember i was able to play this game on my 386SX 25Mhz computer at the time (even if the game require 486 25Mhz). So...if i can't do a thing about this ISA card or on-board chipset, what would be a great ISA video card to put in that support SVGA/VESA?
      Can you try the universal vesa driver?

      ftp://ftp.chatnfiles.com/Beachware-1...S30/UNIVBE.EXE

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        #48
        The Universal VESA driver support the on-board video, but doesn't support the GD5320 (Cirrus Logic) ISA card. My game (Relentless: Twinsen's Adventure) do work when i select "Cirrus Logic chipset" or "don't know" in the setup menu (with the on-board video), but the text seem to be corrupted a bit (2D graphics seem to be ok, menu and realtime 3D graphics are a bit screwed up).

        But which ISA card would you recommend me? one that's not ridiculously overpriced and is doing the job right.
        Last edited by RaptorZX3; July 29, 2014, 10:50 AM.

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          #49
          Originally posted by RaptorZX3 View Post
          The Universal VESA driver support the on-board video, but doesn't support the GD5320 (Cirrus Logic) ISA card. My game (Relentless: Twinsen's Adventure) do work when i select "Cirrus Logic chipset" or "don't know" in the setup menu (with the on-board video), but the text seem to be corrupted a bit (2D graphics seem to be ok, menu and realtime 3D graphics are a bit screwed up).

          But which ISA card would you recommend me? one that's not ridiculously overpriced and is doing the job right.
          This one isn't too outrageous:

          http://www.amazon.com/Video-Diamond-...SIN=B00B86WE2C
          "Will the Highways on the internets become more few?"

          V'Ger XT

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            #50
            i'll try to get in touch with the seller, i live in Canada and Amazon.com won't let me buy it.

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              #51
              I can't believe how much ISA graphics adapters on ebay are listed for. Pretty much anything that isn't bottom of the barrel will sell for at least $50. A few years back you would have a hard time paying somebody to take a Cirrus Logic VGA card off your hands.
              "Will the Highways on the internets become more few?"

              V'Ger XT

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                #52
                A matter of convenience. Some people do not care about $: they care about ease of shopping. When you have good query skills and a good eye you can still get super bargains on eBay for many common vintage components. They are mislabeled, buried in lots and so on.

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                  #53
                  The seller told me to call him, but i'll pay long distance fees...why can't he give me a quote by email?

                  The Tseng ET4000AX seem to be a good choice for a DOS-only setup.

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by RaptorZX3 View Post
                    The seller told me to call him, but i'll pay long distance fees...why can't he give me a quote by email?

                    The Tseng ET4000AX seem to be a good choice for a DOS-only setup.
                    Sounds screwy. Maybe he is trying to not have a trail on Amazons messaging? Unless you are desperate I'd say wait and something better will pop up.
                    Current Wish List: 1. IBM 7531 Industrial Series PC 2. NEC MultiSync XL (JC-2001) Monitor 3. MicroSolutions UniDOS card 4. Compaq 14" VGA CRT Monitor (the one that came with the SystemPro). 5. Stacker HW CoProcessor Board MCA BUS. If you have any of the above for sale please PM me. Thank you!

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by Anonymous Coward View Post
                      I can't believe how much ISA graphics adapters on ebay are listed for. Pretty much anything that isn't bottom of the barrel will sell for at least $50. A few years back you would have a hard time paying somebody to take a Cirrus Logic VGA card off your hands.
                      Supply and demand. The supply has been destroyed by age, neglect and scrappers, while new collectors getting into the hobby has strained supply. Pretty much anything desirable has gone up in prices over the last few years. I used to be able to pick up VLB cards for little or nothing, forget about that now. Same issues with every other thing I collect.

                      For gaming on ISA (or VLB) it is hard to beat a Tseng based card, I have a bunch in systems. Those cards also do well in Windows 3.1 or OS/2.
                      What I collect: 68K/Early PPC Mac, DOS/Win 3.1 era machines, Amiga/ST, C64/128
                      Nubus/ISA/VLB/MCA/EISA cards of all types
                      Boxed apps and games for the above systems
                      Analog video capture cards/software and complete systems

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by PeterLI View Post
                        A matter of convenience. Some people do not care about $: they care about ease of shopping. When you have good query skills and a good eye you can still get super bargains on eBay for many common vintage components. They are mislabeled, buried in lots and so on.
                        Everybody cares about money at some price point, but some people just don't have the time to sit in front of ebay all day looking for a needle in a haystack find. While I was thrilled to get a promise VLB caching controller with a 486 motherboard for something like $18 shipped, it is very uncommon to find a deal like that and I spend lots of time looking for things on ebay.

                        To be honest it would be far cheaper if I just have 5 machines loaded to the top with rare cards at ebay prices then the huge collection I have purchased over the years at a bargain. Some people would rather pay going rates to get what they want all at once and then spend their quality time using them for whatever then blowing a mint over time for a massive collection they rarely fire up. Everybody is different some just want to relive the past and others like to tinker and have everything they never owned back in the day.
                        What I collect: 68K/Early PPC Mac, DOS/Win 3.1 era machines, Amiga/ST, C64/128
                        Nubus/ISA/VLB/MCA/EISA cards of all types
                        Boxed apps and games for the above systems
                        Analog video capture cards/software and complete systems

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                          #57
                          ok now that seller want me to send a postal money order...

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                            #58
                            That is why I do not collect. I do not have sufficient time to really play around with vintage hardware.

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                              #59
                              I don't collect per se since everything I have I originally purchased new. However, I do collect the upgrades that were never done by buying on ebay etc. I would rather pay a non-bargain price for something in excellent condition, that will be reliable, or with a buyer that can accept returns. I just bought an ATI HD4890 graphics card from ebay to upgrade the wife's Core 2 duo XP computer. It was $50 but DOA. It was very disappointing because the card came with EVERYTHING that was in the original retail box (including the box!) The buyer kindly accepted the return and refunded by purchase price and shipping. Then I found a ATI HD4850 that was brand new for $30! (no box or extras though) So it was a slight downgrade, but it worked great so was worth it. I have also purchased many upgrade cards and components on Ebay. Sometimes (especially the graphics cards) they can be a tad expensive.

                              I completely agree with Unkown_K that I would rather spend my time enjoying the classic rig rather than endlessly bickering with shady sellers on Ebay trying to score a "bargain."
                              Last edited by Billyray; July 31, 2014, 11:34 AM.
                              Obsolete PCs in running condition that I've had since new:
                              *Tall tower, Intel 386 20mhz Micronics board, 2 MB RAM, DOS 3.3 dual booting PC-MOS 4.0.
                              *Mini tower, AMD 386, 40mhz, 32 MB RAM, 256K L2, Acer board, Windows 3.11, DOS 5.0
                              *Gigantor tower, Intel 486 66mhz Gateway 2000, Anigma board, 128 MB RAM, 256k L2, Windows 95b
                              *Med. tower, Pentium III 450 mhz Intel SE-440BX-2 board, 768 MB RAM, Windows 98SE

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Billyray View Post
                                I don't collect per se since everything I have I originally purchased new. However, I do collect the upgrades that were never done by buying on ebay etc. I would rather pay a non-bargain price for something in excellent condition, that will be reliable, or with a buyer that can accept returns. I just bought an ATI HD4890 graphics card from ebay to upgrade the wife's Core 2 duo XP computer. It was $50 but DOA. It was very disappointing because the card came with EVERYTHING that was in the original retail box (including the box!) The buyer kindly accepted the return and refunded by purchase price and shipping. Then I found a ATI HD4850 that was brand new for $30! (no box or extras though) So it was a slight downgrade, but it worked great so was worth it. I have also purchased many upgrade cards and components on Ebay. Sometimes (especially the graphics cards) they can be a tad expensive.

                                I completely agree with Unkown_K that I would rather spend my time enjoying the classic rig rather than endlessly bickering with shady buyers on Ebay trying to score a "bargain."
                                Is there any reason you bought such an old series instead of something new since it is PCI-E. I think it would have been worth it
                                just to pay a bit more and take advantage of extra features, better driver support etc etc

                                And you can always pull it out and reuse it in something else at some other time

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