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Rule 4: "PM Sent!" messages (or, how to use the Private Message system)

This forum has a private message feature that we want people to use for messages that are not of general interest to other members.

In short, if you are going to reply to a thread and that reply is targeted to a specific individual and not of interest to anybody else (either now or in the future) then send a private message instead.

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Rule 5: Copyright and other legal issues

We are here to discuss vintage computing, so discussing software, books, and other intellectual property that is on-topic is fine. We don't want people using these forums to discuss or enable copyright violations or other things that are against the law; whether you agree with the law or not is irrelevant. Do not use our resources for something that is legally or morally questionable.

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New user moderation

New users are directly moderated so that we can weed spammers out early. This means that for your first 10 posts you will have some delay before they are seen. We understand this can be disruptive to the flow of conversation and we try to keep up with our new user moderation duties to avoid undue inconvenience. Please do not make duplicate posts, extra posts to bump your post count, or ask the moderators to expedite this process; 10 moderated posts will go by quickly.

New users also have a smaller personal message inbox limit and are rate limited when sending PMs to other users.

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"Better" 486 Video / Graphics Cards

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  • njroadfan
    Originally posted by Chuck(G) View Post
    I'm going to assume that you have VLB. The Diamond Viper P9100 was a pretty hot card. I think I still have the PCI version kicking around.
    These cards were pretty awful performance wise in DOS. Remember, they are really two video cards in one, basically a VGA card with a dedicated graphics accelerator chip (The P9000 or P9100). They used a crappy Oak or Weitek 5186 chip for bog standard VGA support and VESA BIOS Extension support required a DOS TSR in order to work right. The Weitek P9000/P9100 with proper Windows drivers was very advanced for its time however.

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  • Chuck(G)
    I'm going to assume that you have VLB. The Diamond Viper P9100 was a pretty hot card. I think I still have the PCI version kicking around.

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  • High_Treason
    Don't know about Creative's cards, forgot they were even in that market so I can't comment there.

    That program, I had forgotten, but I did some digging and it turns out it was called SMONITOR. If you download this driver (Even if you are not using this card) and open the TVGAUTIL.ZIP file up, go to the UTILITY folder and you will find it along with some other programs. Interestingly, the program appears to work with other adapters and even DOSBox (In S3_SVGA mode).

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  • Unknown_K
    Depends on what you need to do with the video card. The better cards have 2-4MB of RAM so that you can do high resolution, decent refresh rates, and 32 bit color depth (if you need to do image editing for instance). The ET4000 was decent in accelerating Windows while still providing good DOS speeds.

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  • NeXT
    ATI made some nice VESA cards under the Mach32 and Mach64 chipsets.

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  • Smack2k
    Do you know the name of that program?

    Also, didnt Creative make a VESA card that was pretty good?

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  • High_Treason
    Depends what you want to do with them, but overall I have never seen much difference.

    Some Tseng ET4000 cards offer simple 2D Acceleration in Windows with the correct drivers. Otherwise you've generally got S3 and Cirrus Logics of various models, both of which I would reccomend over the Trident as the Trident cards have a knack of not properly detecting the monitor and switching to monochrome mode in my experience... There is a program to override this that I used to use with one of mine, no idea where you'd find it now.

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  • Smack2k
    started a topic "Better" 486 Video / Graphics Cards

    "Better" 486 Video / Graphics Cards

    What are some of the "better" 486 VESA cards to get the best possible graphics out of your 486 machine?

    Curious what's out there outside the various Tridents, including my 2MB Trident.