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Triumph Adler Walkstation 386-33 / Olivetti L1 D33

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    Triumph Adler Walkstation 386-33 / Olivetti L1 D33

    Hello, about twenty years back I used to have a giant laptop, the Olivetti L1 D33. It's format was like A3 paper size. I expanded to evrerything possible what it supported, TI486CPU for the 386 socket, a Cyrix 80387 coprocessor, in total 20 Meg of ram, internal ISA Soundblaster card, docking station with extra 200 meg harddisk, network card and a SCSI controller for external devices. I used it for mobile computing, data exchange with my small Atari Portfolio and so on. One day in the end of the ninetees, I came home with it and plugged it into the docking station and it gave a strange noise and some smoke from docking station and laptop. It came out that some of the pins of the connector to the docking station were broken and shortcutted the machine. There was not much more to do than pulling some interesting things out and throw it away. Sad, I have been so sad, unrepairable broken...

    A few weeks ago I had some luck. No docking station, but... Triumph Adler Walkstation 386-33. That is the same as the D33 as Olivetti owned TA these times, so design in Ivrea, made in Nürnberg. The only difference between both is a bit different color, the TA's grey is a bit more blue than the Olivetti - you can see that in the 2nd of the pictures below. I had to replace the defective harddisk by a compact flash card what makes the machine rocket fast in some directions. All the batteries are still broken, I have still to replace the cmos battery and another a bit bigger one, but the big battery to operate the laptop independently from power connector should be unreplaceable as it is not possible to open the case and replace the cells as they are poured into something like resin. The TA Walkstation and Olivetti S/D series laptops and notebooks (there were 286, 386SX and the 386 top model which is here) should be the first laptops to have a mouse pad ever. The top modell also features a removeable keboard and swapable display. The D33/Walkstation 386-33 existed in monochrome and color display version and the display is swapable by the user. I have also the Samsonite like suitcase for the Walkstation and also kept from old times the D33 suitcase. The following pictures show my new piece of my collection, monochrome version like my good old D33, together with the conceptual but much older similar Olivetti M15 laptop (80C88 CPU), with the keyboard and mousepad from my old D33 (that are the parts I kept as they have PS/2 interface, so good to tinker something), and running GEM 1.2 and GEM 3.0. Different Windows versions to follow...

    Last edited by 1ST1; March 26, 2015, 01:45 PM.

    Some more impressions of this very interesting Laptop. I think it has some very unique mechanical features. It has a handle, one can take away the LC display (and swap from monochrome to color and back) and it can be opened in two different ways.



      Can you give me the pinout and voltages on the db9 connector on the PSU ?