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This forum is part of our mission to promote the preservation of vintage computers through education and outreach. (In real life we also run events and have a museum.) We encourage you to join us, participate, share your knowledge, and enjoy.

This forum has been around in this format for over 15 years. These rules and guidelines help us maintain a healthy and active community, and we moderate the forum to keep things on track. Please familiarize yourself with these rules and guidelines.


Rule 1: Remain civil and respectful

There are several hundred people who actively participate here. People come from all different backgrounds and will have different ways of seeing things. You will not agree with everything you read here. Back-and-forth discussions are fine but do not cross the line into rude or disrespectful behavior.

Conduct yourself as you would at any other place where people come together in person to discuss their hobby. If you wouldn't say something to somebody in person, then you probably should not be writing it here.

This should be obvious but, just in case: profanity, threats, slurs against any group (sexual, racial, gender, etc.) will not be tolerated.


Rule 2: Stay close to the original topic being discussed
  • If you are starting a new thread choose a reasonable sub-forum to start your thread. (If you choose incorrectly don't worry, we can fix that.)
  • If you are responding to a thread, stay on topic - the original poster was trying to achieve something. You can always start a new thread instead of potentially "hijacking" an existing thread.



Rule 3: Contribute something meaningful

To put things in engineering terms, we value a high signal to noise ratio. Coming here should not be a waste of time.
  • This is not a chat room. If you are taking less than 30 seconds to make a post then you are probably doing something wrong. A post should be on topic, clear, and contribute something meaningful to the discussion. If people read your posts and feel that their time as been wasted, they will stop reading your posts. Worse yet, they will stop visiting and we'll lose their experience and contributions.
  • Do not bump threads.
  • Do not "necro-post" unless you are following up to a specific person on a specific thread. And even then, that person may have moved on. Just start a new thread for your related topic.
  • Use the Private Message system for posts that are targeted at a specific person.


Rule 4: "PM Sent!" messages (or, how to use the Private Message system)

This forum has a private message feature that we want people to use for messages that are not of general interest to other members.

In short, if you are going to reply to a thread and that reply is targeted to a specific individual and not of interest to anybody else (either now or in the future) then send a private message instead.

Here are some obvious examples of when you should not reply to a thread and use the PM system instead:
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Why do we have this policy? Sending a "PM Sent!" type message basically wastes everybody else's time by making them having to scroll past a post in a thread that looks to be updated, when the update is not meaningful. And the person you are sending the PM to will be notified by the forum software that they have a message waiting for them. Look up at the top near the right edge where it says 'Notifications' ... if you have a PM waiting, it will tell you there.

Rule 5: Copyright and other legal issues

We are here to discuss vintage computing, so discussing software, books, and other intellectual property that is on-topic is fine. We don't want people using these forums to discuss or enable copyright violations or other things that are against the law; whether you agree with the law or not is irrelevant. Do not use our resources for something that is legally or morally questionable.

Our discussions here generally fall under "fair use." Telling people how to pirate a software title is an example of something that is not allowable here.


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If you are unsure you may consider sending a private message to a moderator instead.


New user moderation

New users are directly moderated so that we can weed spammers out early. This means that for your first 10 posts you will have some delay before they are seen. We understand this can be disruptive to the flow of conversation and we try to keep up with our new user moderation duties to avoid undue inconvenience. Please do not make duplicate posts, extra posts to bump your post count, or ask the moderators to expedite this process; 10 moderated posts will go by quickly.

New users also have a smaller personal message inbox limit and are rate limited when sending PMs to other users.


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    How to Post (On topic vs Off Topic)

    By now everybody should have noticed that the IBM PCs section has been split into two areas. There were a lot of 386 and 486 questions showing up, and before the split they really were off topic. We know these machines are semi-interesting, and hence the addition of a 'Later PCs' area.

    In general:
    • Use 'IBM PCs and Clones' for the classic 16 bit machines, such as the 8088/8086, 80286, V20 & V30, etc.
    • Use 'Later PCs' for 386s and 486s.


    Dos, Windows 3.1 and earlier versions are definitely on topic. OS/2 is a grey area .. pre-historic versions (1.0 to 1.3) are definitel on topic, but 2.x and later are kind of new. (A 32 bit multi-tasking OS is not really on topic.) Windows 95 and 98 are definitely off topic ...


    Thanks,
    Mike

    #2
    So, wait... OS/2 2.x would be off-topic, even for the 'Later PCs'? OS/2 2.0 was released before the 486 processor was released, so if a 486 is on-topic, shouldn't OS/2 also be on-topic?

    (My main thing is that vintage lovers also tend to be 'obscure' lovers, too. And OS/2 is a bit on the obscure side. It had its chance, and failed.)
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      #3
      I agree with the Freaks take on OS/2 2.x, but I think Warp 3 or 4 would definitely be O/T. Though, even 2.x was pretty sophisticated to be considered vintage.
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        #4
        Guys, I don't want to get into a long meta discussion here ...

        OS/2 2.x is a 32 bit preemptive multi-tasking operating system. It was in it's prime in the early 90s. It's interesting, but not vintage.

        Try to use some common sense when posting ... that's all we're asking for.

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          #5
          Ok, now we have a definitive benchmark for "Vintage". It must be older than the "early 90s"
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            #6
            I think I put it at more like 8 or 16 bits, or at least running an 8 or 16 bit OS.

            Another possible criteria - there are other sites more focused on OS/2, Windows, etc.

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              #7
              My big point was where do I discuss my first-generation PS/2? If I'm using DOS, apparently it is on-topic, but if I'm using OS/2, it's off-topic, for the same hardware.

              To me, it's the hardware that marks it as "Vintage". Part of the fun, for me, in vintage hardware is doing things with it that weren't even though of when they were new. Like the guy that wrote a video player for the original PC. (Stock PC 5150, dual floppies, CGA, plus Sound Blaster, and it can play "full motion, full screen" video.)

              I understand that this isn't an OS/2 website, it's dedicated to the hardware, but there are occasional software questions put forth, too that aren't totally off-topic.

              For example, I'm having problems with getting my IBM PowerPC desktop running OS/2 PowerPC Edition, but I'm not going to post that on this board, because that is obviously too new for this board.
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                #8
                Clearly the concept of "vintage" is different for different folks. Most of the rules are somewhat flexible based on the situation.

                If you have something to say about whatever machine or software, as long as it's close to vintage, I'm sure the post will be welcome. Worst case is that it gets moved to the "off topic" areas which isn't a condemnation, it's just cataloging.
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                  #9
                  I'm sorry to dig into the wound but I have noticed that some people have been chastised for posting off topic threads in the off topic section.
                  "But it's like pie r square and cornbread r round; we all know that pie r round and cornbread r square..."

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                    #10
                    No, it's more likely that the posted off topic threads in the wrong areas and that the off topic threads were moved to the off topic area, and then the warning was issued.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by mbbrutman View Post
                      Guys, I don't want to get into a long meta discussion here ...

                      OS/2 2.x is a 32 bit preemptive multi-tasking operating system. It was in it's prime in the early 90s. It's interesting, but not vintage.

                      Try to use some common sense when posting ... that's all we're asking for.
                      Then by your logic discussion about the Amiga and its OS would be off-topic since it is also a 32-bit preemptive multi-tasking OS...

                      Cheers,

                      80sFreak

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                        #12
                        Go see the Amiga section. When you can get that OS to work on a later PC clone, then we can talk about if it is on or off topic here.

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                          #13
                          Mike, I think, by and large, that most of the regulars know where to post what and they are just yanking your chain.

                          The newbies might have some problems from time to time, so, we'll fall in line after we've had a bit of fun
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                            #14
                            **Set "emulate moderator" mode**

                            Jeebus guys, use common sense. Lets not be little kids about this trying every loop-hole and pointing out every defect on the guidlines. Yes, they are more like guidelines. If the O/S is older than 1993(ish), it is pretty much on-topic. Obviously Amiga O/S should be fine. By my understanding, OS/2 is a grey area and it should be mentioned minimally. Besides, surely there is A section appropriate for the Amiga...perhaps under PCs? Maybe even under "Commodore/Amiga?" That pretty much means if you are chattin about Amigas, use that section, unless you wanna sell/buy one.

                            --Ryan

                            EDIT: I started typing this before the 2 posts above me, so read it like it is there.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by mbbrutman View Post
                              Go see the Amiga section. When you can get that OS to work on a later PC clone, then we can talk about if it is on or off topic here.
                              One Word: WinUAE!

                              But there is also Amithlon and AmigaOS XL..

                              Cheers,

                              80sFreak

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