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    #76
    Playing catch-up reading here after vacation. Your prototype card looks nice.

    I could be wrong, but didn't Andrew request that people stop using his ham call-sign "N8VEM" on boards?

    <*> Jim

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      #77
      Originally posted by jharre View Post
      I could be wrong, but didn't Andrew request that people stop using his ham call-sign "N8VEM" on boards?
      You are indeed correct, and it has been removed in the current layout (master on GitHub). I was unaware of this, but Mike Brutman pointed it out to me in IRC when I posted a picture of the prototype board. The prototype run did not have gold plated edge connectors, so they won't be used in any of the kits or assembled units.
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        #78
        Originally posted by jharre View Post
        Playing catch-up reading here after vacation. Your prototype card looks nice.

        I could be wrong, but didn't Andrew request that people stop using his ham call-sign "N8VEM" on boards?

        <*> Jim
        I've been on Mars the last few weeks, can someone fill me in on the significance on N8VEM?
        Daniel P. Cayea - The Lyon Mountain Company - Plattsburgh, New York 12901
        Vintage Equipment: IBM 5150 * IBM 5161 * ThinkPad 770ED
        Modern Equipment: MacBook Pro 13 * Alienware M15R3

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          #79
          Originally posted by lyonadmiral View Post
          I've been on Mars the last few weeks, can someone fill me in on the significance on N8VEM?
          Andrew Lynch, N8VEM, did a lot of organizational work with the first XT-IDE community run. He's helped on a lot of other open source community hardware projects in the past. IIRC the thought about putting his callsign on boards was that it would let people find their source even if websites went down, et c. He's no longer active with these projects.
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            #80
            Noticed a spacing error on the board -- hole spacing for the card bracket was off! Looks like it was off on rev 1 and rev 2 as well -- rev 2 compensated with larger holes

            I added a test point for the /CARDSEL (bus pin B8 ) signal in case anyone wants to dead bug XT Slot 8 support on there. The manual will probably include instructions on doing so.

            Removed unused edge connector pads to reduce the cost of hard gold plating. Submitted the Gerber files to Advanced Circuits to see if they can come close to the Chinese. I'd like to have the board made in the US if possible, but I also recognize that keeping costs low is kinda important for hobbyist projects!
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              #81
              If the cost difference isn't too much I'd pay more for a USA made card
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                #82
                I've been talking with the Advanced Circuits sales rep for my area, it appears they can do $15/board + shipping and e-test, but that's with a four-week lead time. PCBCart will be more like $10/board shipped, and 8 day lead time, plus 2 or 3 days to ship DHL from China.

                I'm not sure the "Made in USA" factor is worth that to me personally -- especially the month-long turnaround! What's everyone else think?
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                  #83
                  I'd be fine with the Chinese boards if they are good quality.

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                    #84
                    Originally posted by ibmapc View Post
                    I'd be fine with the Chinese boards if they are good quality.
                    Same board house that did previous rev 2 boards and many of John Monahan's/s100computers.com boards, so the quality is solid and completely adequate for a through-hole board.

                    Ordered all shipping supplies for this run. Bare boards will ship in a bubble mailer to save on postage, kits and assembled boards will ship in a USPS Small Flat Rate Box to save on hassle. Antistatic bags for parts kits/assembled boards.
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                      #85
                      Ya that lead time is a bit killer.
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                        #86
                        Originally posted by compu_85 View Post
                        Ya that lead time is a bit killer.
                        The more I think about it, the more I think it sort of kills being able to do the board printing in the US. Add a month on, then the time it'll take me to get the orders processed...plus it's more expensive anyway, which will quickly add up for the people who wanted multiple boards.

                        We'll run it in China this time. Perhaps the next run(s), if planned for enough in advance, can be done in the US.
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                          #87
                          Order placed with PCBCart, same manufacturers as the last run of rev 2 boards (at least, the last run I purchased from).
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                            #88
                            Closed the preorder through glitchwrks.com, you can still confirm if you have a confirmation link. I'll email everyone who confirmed when orders are ready.
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                              #89
                              Looking forward to this. I've got my Portable ready... full height 5.25 drives swapped out for a half height 3.5 and 5.25, and a HDD mounted in the now empty bay!



                              -J
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                                #90
                                Originally posted by compu_85 View Post
                                If the cost difference isn't too much I'd pay more for a USA made card
                                Would you settle for "Assembled in the United States of America with Foreign & Domestic Components"?
                                Daniel P. Cayea - The Lyon Mountain Company - Plattsburgh, New York 12901
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                                Modern Equipment: MacBook Pro 13 * Alienware M15R3

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