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Anyone Selling XT-IDE Cards?

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    Very exciting! What do you think the lead-time is for assembled boards? (No pressure at all, just curious )
    Bobby.

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      So $35 shipped for one complete kit + board, $62 for two? Great! Let us know how to pay

      -J
      My Site (under construction!) | My Apple Lisa 2/10

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        All preorder emails have been sent! First time using the new mailer system, so sorry if anyone gets a duplicate! If you preordered but don't see an email shortly, check your junk folder -- I haven't set up DKIM for the mailer yet, so some really strict spam filters might trip on it.

        For those who didn't preorder, we've got plenty of boards and parts kits, but we're working on filling all of the preorders first. I'll post information on ordering once the preorders are out the door.
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          Got the email at my Gmail account. Payment sent!
          My Site (under construction!) | My Apple Lisa 2/10

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            If you got your payment in before this post (2016-06-28 0300 UTC) then your package will ship tomorrow around noon!
            Check out The Glitch Works | My Retro Projects | Vintage Computer Services | Glitch Works Tindie Store -- Vintage Computer Kits and More

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              Thought maybe people would like to see the kits:



              That's all the bits and pieces. Amy and I picked 15 kits tonight. Here they are waiting to be boxed up for shipping:

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                I sent paypal payment to the Glitchworks email. the other one in your email message (chapmajs@vt.edu) was rejected by paypal

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                  Must be too many people sending $$ at once. We've had similar problems at a car club I'm in.

                  -J
                  My Site (under construction!) | My Apple Lisa 2/10

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                    Mine to chapmajs@vt.edu worked!
                    Bobby.

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                      Originally posted by ibmapc View Post
                      I sent paypal payment to the Glitchworks email.
                      DO NOT send PayPal payments to any @glitchwrks.com address -- none of those are associated with my PayPal account, and will not be associated with PayPal any time in the future.

                      Originally posted by ibmapc View Post
                      the other one in your email message (chapmajs@vt.edu) was rejected by paypal
                      That is the correct PayPal address for me. Good thing I only use it for PayPal -- I'm sure it'll be getting a ton of spam now
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                        Started assembling boards for the confirmed/paid for orders:



                        That picture was taken immediately after washing -- I assemble with an organic core solder, the flux is water soluble so it comes off with warm water and an old toothbrush. They've been burning in for a few hours in various PCs, probably going to head out in an hour or so!
                        Check out The Glitch Works | My Retro Projects | Vintage Computer Services | Glitch Works Tindie Store -- Vintage Computer Kits and More

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                          Originally posted by ibmapc View Post
                          I sent paypal payment to the Glitchworks email. the other one in your email message (chapmajs@vt.edu) was rejected by paypal
                          I figured out what happened. I cut and pasted your email address and must have included a space in front so PayPal rejected it. Got rid of the extra space and it went through. DOH!!

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                            Originally posted by glitch View Post
                            Started assembling boards for the confirmed/paid for orders:
                            Exciting! They look great!

                            Just checking - they do some with the BIOS ROM don't they? What about the metal bracket?

                            Forgive me if this has already been answered Either way, I can't wait to get mine and try it!!

                            Bobby.
                            Bobby.

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                              Parts kits come with all necessary bits to build the boards -- bracket, screws, and EEPROM included! You provide solder and tools. The EEPROMs in the parts kits are blank, but of course the XT-IDE board can program the EEPROM in-board using the XUB config tools.

                              The assembled units come with the EEPROM pre-loaded with the latest version of the XT-IDE Universal BIOS, 1.1.x series (IIRC the 2.x series is still beta, so I haven't been shipping it with assembled boards).
                              Check out The Glitch Works | My Retro Projects | Vintage Computer Services | Glitch Works Tindie Store -- Vintage Computer Kits and More

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                                I know this is a silly question but I'll go ahead anyway...can I use a pre-programmed EPROM (27C256) instead of the EEPROM?

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