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    8088 PC: Cool things to demonstrate the early PC XT experience and capabilities

    I'm tired of googling and sifting- Time to ask the experts!
    What were your favorites?
    Seeking applications, tools, utilities, demo programs, source code.
    Must run on a stock 8088 with no better than Monochrome with Hercules and CGA emulation.
    (Though for a later effort, I will go to color based video)

    Such as:
    • Early examples of forward looking things: ie: early hobby simulation, cad, animation, screen savers
      etc that pointed to things to come.
    • Source code examples for QuickBasic, Assembler, Pascal, and C.
    • Program development suggestions for writing Demos. I'm inclined to do some things
      in QuickBasic for the retro feel and use some libraries for jazz. So far I like QBSCR
      but open to suggestions on libraries and other languages.
    • Suggestions for what was a really nice bootup menu system?
      So far now I've done my own batch system. But there's probably a better way.
    • Period demos that wowed us back in the day.
    • Modern demos that point back.. such as 8088 Corruption, Domination, XDC.


    Things I have so far:

    - 8088 Assembler Matrix screen demo posted on this forum, thanks!
    - XTree Gold
    - Checkit
    - Norton Commander
    - Mummies, a classic character based game
    - PC-RR rail road simulator
    - visual basic examples

    Thanks very much in advance!
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    #2
    Originally posted by dmemphis View Post
    Suggestions for what was a really nice bootup menu system?
    • So far now I've done my own batch system. But there's probably a better way.
    I tend to like batch menus. Simple, configurable and no resources to hog which is great for systems with limited memory.

    Direct Access is very nice, too, and it also exits from memory while you're running an application so it's no hog.

    I've got a boxed copy of Direct Access v5.0 if there's any interest.

    It only requires 256K and a PC to run.
    PM me if you're looking for 3" or 5" floppy disks. EMail For everything else, Take Another Step

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      #3
      For historical accuracy......

      KILLER APPS
      Lotus 1-2-3
      WordPerfect
      WordStar
      TurboCad (not sure what version I have but it's aimed at CGA XTs)
      Harvard Graphics 3.0 on down

      SCREENSAVERS
      Dazzle
      Inner Mission

      WINDOW MANAGERS/GUIS/FILE MANAGERS
      OpenDesktop GEM
      Windows 1.x, 2.x, and 3.0
      XTREE (Especially XTREE Gold)
      DOS Shell (DOSSHELL.EXE from DOS 4 up)
      Deskmate

      GAMES
      Microsoft Adventure
      Microsoft Flight Simulator 1.0
      Beyond Zork (or anything in the Zork Series for that matter)
      Early Ultima (Ultima I, II, III, and IV, maybe V)
      Maniac Mansion
      King's Quest (or pretty much any/all old AGI Sierra titles if you have EGA or TGA/PC Jr. capable CGA)
      Lots of old BASIC games like Maxit or Depth Charge and so on


      Just to name a few....

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        #4
        Another one I'll throw in is OrCAD.
        I found it on one of my XT's when it arrived, it let you do electronics work. From memory mine had the libraries for 74 series ICs etc too, I played around making a schematic.

        Another interesting program install I found, but isn't really realistic for when the machine was new, was an install of AmiWord. Imagine MS Word for Windows, before Windows was popular, so it included a bare bones version of Windows 2.x on the install disks! Was very slow though, wouldn't recommend to a friend, but whoever installed it REALLY wanted WYSIWYG/Windows etc etc on their machine.

        Also pfs: First Choice is a good all in one package, and pfs: First Publisher is also good for WYSIWYG layout. Both products were lower cost titles - but what I remember using more of. They ran fine on XT's, were functional, and didn't cost thousands.

        Plus every system should have PrintMaster, how else will you print those dot matrix Happy Birthday ribbons?
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          #5
          Originally posted by SpidersWeb View Post
          Plus every system should have PrintMaster, how else will you print those dot matrix Happy Birthday ribbons?
          Funny you should mention that... I used Broderbund's Banner Mania back in the day: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banner_Mania
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            #6
            If you have access to set up a printer, I would totally recommend you demonstrate a copy of print master plus v2.0 or a similar version. Make a birthday card, or something simple like that. That was probably one of the more useful programs back in the early days of home computers.

            Show an early version of word perfect (5.0 or 6.0). Show them something prior to WYSIWYG. Give examples of how you bold text, italics, etc.

            I would also show them a sierra game of some kind (mixed up mother goose, etc). Also you can see about getting an old version of Tetris (which most kids even today would recognize). Wheel of fortune or hang man would be great too.

            -------

            Programming - quick basic would be the way to go. We used to like looking at the code for Gorilla.bas and modifying it. If you are using windows, you could probably find an early version of Visual basic and make some kind of 'Hello World' application with a button to click, and a label.

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              #7
              And if you install Word Perfect, use 5.1 and make sure to enable the menus.
              Without it, you'll be mashing the keyboard just trying to work out how to quit.

              It's a very capable word processor and can do some decent formatting/layout work, but a very different experience to "ribbons" and wizards.
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                #8
                For a menu system, I recommend Brown Bag Software's Power Menu. It also has a very nice file manager built int.

                How early are you really trying to demonstrate? I recently acquired some disks that apparently had been used with an early PC ~1982. They had crufty copies of PC-DOS 1.0, lots of crufty basic programs, IBM Personal Editor, EasyWriter, IBM Pascal Compiler, and a few other IBM tools.

                During the first few years of the PC there was a lot of BASIC and command-line/terminal oriented stuff, often ported from CP/M. But by the mid 80s there was more full-screen, PC-specific stuff, and lower cost compilers like Turbo Pascal began to catch on. Then around 1990 things really started to go GUI.

                Along the lines of current "demos", if you are using CGA you might want to check out the composite-artifacting CGA mod of Commander Keen 4 (16 colors on CGA!). That requires a hard drive, but I got regular CGA keen 4 to run from dual 360k floppies.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by SomeGuy View Post
                  For a menu system, I recommend Brown Bag Software's Power Menu. It also has a very nice file manager built int.
                  Thanks!
                  Originally posted by SomeGuy View Post
                  How early are you really trying to demonstrate? I recently acquired some disks that apparently had been used with an early PC ~1982. They had crufty copies of PC-DOS 1.0, lots of crufty basic programs, IBM Personal Editor, EasyWriter, IBM Pascal Compiler, and a few other IBM tools.
                  For this purpose I'm not after the earliest stuff, more like the early stuff that made new waves
                  in the PC experience that was best shown earliest on the 5150.
                  Some of those are good examples. I would in general though be interested in seeing most of these even
                  if I don't use them for this purpose.
                  Originally posted by SomeGuy View Post
                  During the first few years of the PC there was a lot of BASIC and command-line/terminal oriented stuff, often ported from CP/M. But by the mid 80s there was more full-screen, PC-specific stuff, and lower cost compilers like Turbo Pascal began to catch on. Then around 1990 things really started to go GUI.
                  Probably not the CP/M ish stuff. You reminded me of those early word processor wars. One I have yet to see
                  is the one Captain Crunches wrote.
                  Full screen, pre-gui, Text/mouse UI, maybe- cause that hinted at GUI stuff to come.
                  Originally posted by SomeGuy View Post
                  Along the lines of current "demos", if you are using CGA you might want to check out the composite-artifacting CGA mod of Commander Keen 4 (16 colors on CGA!). That requires a hard drive, but I got regular CGA keen 4 to run from dual 360k floppies.
                  That's a good one for when I go really use coor rather than cga on monochrome..

                  THANKS for those suggestions.
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                    #10
                    GAMES:

                    Alley Cat *End thread*

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alley_Cat_(video_game)

                    Released on the PC in 1984 by IBM no less, gorgeous CGA Graphics. Was probably one of the very first games I played on my XT along with Sopwith I might add.

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopwith_(video_game)
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                      #11
                      hello
                      Also the first "Civilization" game would run (with EGA) on ibm pc, a good one i think.
                      For some reason i also liked "SideKick", and the ability to rapidly do another ting on your pc then the main application you were running at the moment
                      /cimonvg

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                        #12
                        I'm a fan of MTCP as well. Perhaps it's not period, but it shows something useful the system can still do today (IRC client, etc)
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                          #13
                          I loved Ventura Publisher back in the day. It ran fine on a XT.


                          Later,
                          dabone

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                            #14
                            My Favs:

                            Word Processing: Mansfield KEDIT
                            Word Processing: MS Word for DOS 4.0
                            Word Processing: WordPerfect 5.1
                            File Manager: IBM File Command
                            Utility: IBM Fixed Disk Organizer
                            Utility: System Utility: SysInfo7
                            Desktop: Quarterdeck DeskView 2.0
                            Database: Ashton-Tate dBase III Plus
                            Graphic: Harvard Graphics 2.0
                            Spreadsheet: Lotus 123 2.4
                            Spreadsheet: VisiCalc
                            Accounting: QuickBooks Version 1.0
                            Accounting: One Write Plus Money Matters
                            Communications (Dial-up): QMODEM
                            Communications (Dial-up): ProComm+
                            Programming: Turbo Pascal 6.0 for DOS
                            Productivity: Point of Sale Cash Register
                            Productivity: Policies Now
                            Productivity: Family Tree Maker
                            Game: Jeopardy
                            Game: Cyborgirl Pinball
                            Accouting: Quicken QuickBooks
                            Programming: Turbo Pascal
                            Programming: Turbo Assembler
                            Game: Space Invaders
                            Game: Space Invaders 78
                            Game: Monopoly
                            Game: PacMan
                            Music: Voyetra Sequencer Plus Pro MIDI

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by nc_mike View Post
                              My Favs:

                              Word Processing: Mansfield KEDIT
                              Word Processing: MS Word for DOS 4.0
                              Word Processing: WordPerfect 5.1
                              File Manager: IBM File Command
                              Utility: IBM Fixed Disk Organizer
                              Utility: System Utility: SysInfo7
                              Desktop: Quarterdeck DeskView 2.0
                              Database: Ashton-Tate dBase III Plus
                              Graphic: Harvard Graphics 2.0
                              Spreadsheet: Lotus 123 2.4
                              Spreadsheet: VisiCalc
                              Accounting: QuickBooks Version 1.0
                              Accounting: One Write Plus Money Matters
                              Communications (Dial-up): QMODEM
                              Communications (Dial-up): ProComm+
                              Programming: Turbo Pascal 6.0 for DOS
                              Productivity: Point of Sale Cash Register
                              Productivity: Policies Now
                              Productivity: Family Tree Maker
                              Game: Jeopardy
                              Game: Cyborgirl Pinball
                              Accouting: Quicken QuickBooks
                              Programming: Turbo Pascal
                              Programming: Turbo Assembler
                              Game: Space Invaders
                              Game: Space Invaders 78
                              Game: Monopoly
                              Game: PacMan
                              Music: Voyetra Sequencer Plus Pro MIDI

                              I would say the killer app right now to do with a 8088 is to run Jim Leonard's 8088 domination demo. It's basically running color full motion video in your IBM PC. You can also get the utility and render any video with sound that you wish. I really want my own 8088 to do this.

                              http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=63591

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