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Second Source FDDs for PC and XT

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    Second Source FDDs for PC and XT

    I've recently learned there were other FDDs for the PC and XT than the infamous Tandon TM-100. One such is the World Storage FDD-211-5. How does the quality on these drives compare? Were there other companies' drives used in the XT lifespan?

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    TEAC - The Top Drive on my List.

    FD-55A 48 TPI 40 Track 300 RPM
    FD-55B 48 TPI 80 Track 300 RPM

    FD-55E 96 TPI 80 Track 300 RPM
    FD-55F 96 TPI 160 Track 300 RPM
    FD-55G 96 TPI 154 Track 360 RPM
    FD-55GF is same as FD-55G except it is High Density.


    Larry
    Last edited by ldkraemer; April 11, 2020, 06:28 AM. Reason: added FD-55GF

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      #3
      40 track Teacs were used in the PC and/or XT? That's quite a surprise. Was there a version with an IBM branded bezel?

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        #4
        Check the PC XT Techref (MZD has a copy)--IIRC there are schematics for at least three drives there. One of which, I believe, is a CDC/MPI drive.
        Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.

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          #5
          A set of pictures for a lot of the other drives is at https://ibm-pc.webnode.sk/floppy-disk-drives/

          I liked the YE-DATA drives and had bad experiences with the only MPI drive I encountered.

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            #6
            MPI drives can be variable in quality. Some are no better than Tandons. Some of the older ones are well-constructed (mostly with the CDC logo).

            Y-E made drives for other manufacturers as well. I've got a couple of Fujitsu drives that are clearly Y-E production.
            Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.

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              #7
              Originally posted by krebizfan View Post
              A set of pictures for a lot of the other drives is at https://ibm-pc.webnode.sk/floppy-disk-drives/

              I liked the YE-DATA drives and had bad experiences with the only MPI drive I encountered.
              I have 3 Y-E drives and they are all quite good. No mention of the "World Storage" FDD-211-5 on that page though. Anybody ever been hands on with that one?

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                #8
                I have never seen any of the World Storage drives. Those used to be Orbis and General Systems International in the 70s and became part of Wong Electronics in the mid-80s. Someone else may have encountered them in any of the other guises.
                History extracted from Disk Trends.

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                  #9
                  No sooner than I learn of the Teac XT drive, an example got posted in the OEM auctions thread

                  https://www.ebay.com/itm/153895113752

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by krebizfan View Post
                    I liked the YE-DATA drives and had bad experiences with the only MPI drive I encountered.
                    Originally posted by Chuck(G) View Post
                    Y-E made drives for other manufacturers as well. I've got a couple of Fujitsu drives that are clearly Y-E production.
                    Originally posted by maxtherabbit View Post
                    I have 3 Y-E drives and they are all quite good.
                    I've got a couple of Y-E drives that I can't get to work:

                    http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthrea...Drive&p=598081
                    PM me if you're looking for 3" or 5" floppy disks. EMail For everything else, Take Another Step

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by maxtherabbit View Post
                      "World Storage" FDD-211-5 on that page though. Anybody ever been hands on with that one?
                      They are actually Siemens drives.

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