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    Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
    So about the Covid thread?!
    just drop it. the Powers That Be decided it was heading into the handling of the Plague by the former administration

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      Ahh... Politics.. Yeah that makes sense. Never talk that or theology...

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        Case in point: https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-5161-XT...x/193939218899

        Even on Ebay, I've seen complete 5161's with both cards and the cable for not much more than that.
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          Originally posted by Exceter View Post
          Case in point: https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-5161-XT...x/193939218899

          Even on Ebay, I've seen complete 5161's with both cards and the cable for not much more than that.
          A bit of a bump on this thread, but probably worth remembering that the auction in question was a UK sale. In the UK although the full classic IBM PC range was sold here it was a bit late to market, faced very credible domestic competition before the PC platform was spoken for and the prices were inflated with the odd 1:1 exchange rate which always seems to happen between GBP and USD over technology products. Then when cheap domestic IBM clones like the Amstrad PC came along the sale of actual IBM kit slowed even more from a position that was never fully developed in the first place. Fast forward to 2021 and genuine IBM hardware which was always more scarce than in the US at the time is even more so now and when it comes to things that were rare in the first place like 5161's any part of the system will sell for stupid money.

          I only started on my 5150 setup in 2017 and the money I eventually spent to get a complete system (although admittedly it did include a 5154 EGA monitor which is very rare in the UK) could credibly have got you the full 'classic trio' of a 5150/60/70 with associated monitors and keyboards at US prices.

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            I think it's easy in the US to forget that outside of North America we are not exactly tripping over IBM PC's so the price reflects the scarcity in our local markets. It's the same here in Australia where you would think being that we had our own IBM manufacturing plant from around 1976 to 1997 that the supply would be better here but it's not. A large percentage of them were for export to Asia and whatever is left that went into the local market is tucked away in private collections. If you manage to find one in the wild you've done very well for yourself.

            That price for the 5161 XT Expansion Card is spot on what I would expect to see locally if I was ever to see one.
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              Originally posted by Flamin Joe View Post
              That price for the 5161 XT Expansion Card is spot on what I would expect to see locally if I was ever to see one.
              https://www.ebay.com/itm/333953173391
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                Originally posted by Flamin Joe View Post
                I think it's easy in the US to forget that outside of North America we are not exactly tripping over IBM PC's so the price reflects the scarcity in our local markets. It's the same here in Australia where you would think being that we had our own IBM manufacturing plant from around 1976 to 1997 that the supply would be better here but it's not. A large percentage of them were for export to Asia and whatever is left that went into the local market is tucked away in private collections. If you manage to find one in the wild you've done very well for yourself.
                Yes, same in New Zealand. By the time NZ businesses started buying PC-type computers, Asian XT clones were online and at about 2/3rds the price.

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                  I understand why the prices would be higher in your local markets but eBay is a global market.
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                    Originally posted by Exceter View Post
                    I understand why the prices would be higher in your local markets but eBay is a global market.
                    Well that's wonderful. I got a quote on a 80 GBP Amstrad 6128. The shipping is 200 GBP. Somehow that gave me a pause

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                      An Australian plant was needed to supply IBM PCs to Asia? Curious why they didn't just build the plant in the Phillipines or even Singapore. Many ics were already manned there I thought.

                      Anyone know how many 5150/5160s were sold in Japan?

                      Did Research Machines gain any traction in Australia?

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                        Originally posted by tipc View Post
                        An Australian plant was needed to supply IBM PCs to Asia? Curious why they didn't just build the plant in the Phillipines or even Singapore. Many ics were already manned there I thought.
                        Why build a new IBM manufacturing plant in Asia when you already had one well established in Australia which had been producing IBM Selectric Typewriters since 1976? I think it just made financial sense at the time especially considering before the IBM PC was released they had invested more capital in expanding the Wangaratta plant in 1979 to increase production. They basically had a well trained workforce and facility ready to go.
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                          So the preexisting plant was built to supply Selectrics to the Australian market I take it. That then makes sense.

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                            Originally posted by tipc View Post
                            An Australian plant was needed to supply IBM PCs to Asia? Curious why they didn't just build the plant in the Phillipines or even Singapore. Many ics were already manned there I thought.

                            Anyone know how many 5150/5160s were sold in Japan?

                            Did Research Machines gain any traction in Australia?
                            I dont think very many as speaking with someone in JApan, they are non existent and he'd never seen nor heard of a PCJR

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                              Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
                              I dont think very many as speaking with someone in JApan, they are non existent and he'd never seen nor heard of a PCJR
                              Seems IBM Japan had some regional models with hirez graphics and Kanji support:

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_5550
                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_JX
                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_System/55

                              It kind of makes sense. Why would anyone buy a computer that can't be used for preparing and printing documents?

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                                Originally posted by Exceter View Post
                                I understand why the prices would be higher in your local markets but eBay is a global market.
                                It doesn't matter. Someone in the UK or Australia is going to charge UK or Australia prices because they know that's what they can get from a local buyer. They don't care what it sells for anywhere else and they don't have to. If you don't want to see items from outside your country on ebay, there are settings you can change to make that happen.

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