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  • cwathen
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    Originally posted by Exceter View Post
    Case in point: https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-5161-XT...x/193939218899

    Even on Ebay, I've seen complete 5161's with both cards and the cable for not much more than that.
    A bit of a bump on this thread, but probably worth remembering that the auction in question was a UK sale. In the UK although the full classic IBM PC range was sold here it was a bit late to market, faced very credible domestic competition before the PC platform was spoken for and the prices were inflated with the odd 1:1 exchange rate which always seems to happen between GBP and USD over technology products. Then when cheap domestic IBM clones like the Amstrad PC came along the sale of actual IBM kit slowed even more from a position that was never fully developed in the first place. Fast forward to 2021 and genuine IBM hardware which was always more scarce than in the US at the time is even more so now and when it comes to things that were rare in the first place like 5161's any part of the system will sell for stupid money.

    I only started on my 5150 setup in 2017 and the money I eventually spent to get a complete system (although admittedly it did include a 5154 EGA monitor which is very rare in the UK) could credibly have got you the full 'classic trio' of a 5150/60/70 with associated monitors and keyboards at US prices.

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  • Exceter
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    Case in point: https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-5161-XT...x/193939218899

    Even on Ebay, I've seen complete 5161's with both cards and the cable for not much more than that.

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  • VERAULT
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    Ahh... Politics.. Yeah that makes sense. Never talk that or theology...

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  • Al Kossow
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    Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
    So about the Covid thread?!
    just drop it. the Powers That Be decided it was heading into the handling of the Plague by the former administration

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  • VERAULT
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    Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
    Why was the COVID thread locked? I was following it early a few days ago but dont know what happened. I just checked its locked. Didnt seem to end on a controversial tone...
    So about the Covid thread?!

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  • animekenji
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    In addition to my reply above, I have to say that some sellers are hopefully optimistic that someone with more money than sense will click the BIN rather than participate in an auction that they might lose to a sniper in the last 3 seconds. Also, there are a lot more flippers price gouging on ebay than there used to be. The problem is that when someone who isn't a flipper has something to sell, they see those prices and figure that must be what they sell for and they set their prices the same, and that becomes the new price forever. It's getting to the point now where you're better off making deals face to face with local sellers who are collectors themselves, and aren't looking for a quick payday, than you are going on ebay.
    Last edited by animekenji; March 22, 2021, 03:55 AM.

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  • animekenji
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    If there is something that you want on ebay, but the price is more than you want to pay, just wait. Unless it is an ultra rare item that you might see come around once in 10 years, you will see one again for a more reasonable price. I never overpay for anything on ebay, I do place a value on my waiting time, however. If paying 10% more than my personal valuation of an item saves me two years of waiting time for the next one, then I may grab it because there is no guarantee that the next one will be any cheaper and I will have wasted 2 years of my life waiting for the next opportunity to purchase it. Waiting 2 years to pay $95 for a $100 item is also not worth it. The discount isn't enough to compensate me for my lost time when I could have been enjoying the use of that item.

    You also have to figure shipping into whatever you are paying for the item. There is a widescreen CRT monitor made by Intergraph that I have been wanting for a while. The last few that were on ebay sold for $100, but had a $200 freight charge attached to them, which drove the price out of my valuation range. Items that are heavy or bulky enough to require freight delivery, also will not be shipped directly to your house. They almost always require a loading dock and the driver will not help with unloading. If it's a palletized item, you will need a forklift or pallet jack to get it off the truck. If you don't have a loading dock at your location, then you will have to collect it from the freight depot, which may be a hundred miles away depending on where you live, and it sucks if your only transportation is a Honda Civic. You will then have to rent or beg someone for a truck to go get it. Unless you can source something big locally, it's generally not worth it to have it shipped by freight carrier.
    Last edited by animekenji; March 19, 2021, 06:30 AM.

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  • VERAULT
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    Why was the COVID thread locked? I was following it early a few days ago but dont know what happened. I just checked its locked. Didnt seem to end on a controversial tone...

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  • Unknown_K
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    Originally posted by DDS View Post
    A while back I noted one seller saying he/she was no longer selling complete systems because shipping was a hassle.

    Different strokes......
    More money parting out the important stuff and less of a pain to ship I would think.

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  • Mad-Mike
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    Wow, I have a lot of thoughts on this thread.......I've been an E-bay Seller since 2005, and a buyer since 2003, and 90% of what I do has been related to vintage x86 IBM Compatibles.

    Well, I think we all know how it got here. Vintage x86 Hardware is now hot stuff, there's ton of YouTubers doing videos on it now, not just myself (creepingnet) once every 2 years. I've noticed VOGONS has gone from a "let's get this game running on my new i7" forum to a "let's get this vintage 80486 running" forum. Not to mention all those clickbait articles on the internet that are like "15 things you might find in your attic that will make you rich!" and of course #blah is "old computer" and has a picture of like, a 1990's Mac or a 1980's IBM. It's hot stuff ATM. So funny to me because I remember there was a time when I could buy a whole thrift shop out for $20, got chastised by people for having a "PC Jurassic Park", and could treat this stuff like throwaways at times (which with my current skills I wish I had not in a lot of those cases).

    Personally, as a buyer, I had to adapt to the new ecosystem. So when I went to look for a DOS laptop, I picked a model that had a "fatal flaw" (cracking plastic) that nobody would want but a willing researcher like myself, and I started kicking those laptops up left and right for $20-75 all day long. Now they are going up because I post too much about them probably. I go for AS/IS, untested stuff I have to fix. My photo galleries really show a lot of that kit-bashing of NEC Versa to get 4 good working examples - which I finished last night BTW with the help of two resistors and a N.O.S. $20 800x600 LCD Panel.

    I was told, I think by someone on VOGONS, that BIN stands for "make an offer" - well, I hate to tell that person that's incorrect. I've offered as liittle of a discount of $10 on a $75 item, and either got no answer or "Sorry, I can't do that" or "Lowball". They told me this was specifically true of ridiculously high prices, like an IBM XT for $10,000, or that XT clone that was on there for $500 that looks like someone dragged it out of a swamp with a winch.....yeah right, they think they are selling Carol Shelby's personal Ford Mustang when they have a Fox Body LX with the 4-cylinder and automatic. "Nice Car" but it's not worth that much. If it's $10K then there better be something significant about it, like Bill Gates wrote Donkey on it, or it was Steve Ballmer's personal Deskpro 386 from 1986 that was used for marketing Windows/386 - and there better be proof other than a Microsoft Asset tag! C'mon, I know it's a ThinkPad with the butterfly keyboard, but is it really worth having it posted up for $10,599.99 for 7 years straight with no buyers? It was not even that expensive in 1994 when it came out!

    Now, as a seller, I can say it's not as cheap as it used to be to sell a PC. I miss the days like 2005 when couriers were still cheap. I sold an IBM EduQuest back then for $75, and spent only $25 in shipping, and this was an AIO PC with a CRT built into it! Now just to sell two modern laptops I had to spend almost $50 in shipping, and got ****ed tender by PayPal and E-bay when I had to pull the sale because I could not afford shipping due to then unexpected, unrelated financial hardships! I've come to a point I might start using VC Marketplace or AmiBay to sell because I can use Venmo or someone other than PayFiend (PayPal) - whom I've been trying to get my account repaired for five+ months now, with little to no help. Seriously, **** PayPal!. Irritating because I was initally gong to use E-bay this year to sell some lesser used stuff in my collection - looks like that's not happening through evil-bay. I should not need to spend a total of 200 minutes on the phone (I counted them up) plus 10 e-mails just to get my account reset!

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  • DDS
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    A while back I noted one seller saying he/she was no longer selling complete systems because shipping was a hassle.

    Different strokes......

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  • cwathen
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    Thought this was interesting...fully in the spirit of splitting things up, this seller appears to have had a complete IBM 5160 system and not content splitting off the 5151 and model F (the keyboard is listed at 300 which is certainly a gutsy price even if it is refurbished), he has also gutted the system unit into separate components that are all listed separately, with the empty case for sale at 130...certainly an interesting approach to try and maximise value, I'll give it that.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IBM-5160-Case-Only-Retro-Vintage-XT-Good-Condition-See-other-listings-for-more/203297849414?hash=item2f557f0046:gpQAAOSwqHNgQ8-B

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  • Casey
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    I did that trick once; bought an XT clone cheap. The motherboard is meh (only 4.77Mz) but I scored a working ST238, Adaptec 2070a rll controller, herc clone, and two 360k floppies! Not to mention the case & power supply.

    The seller would have made a lot more money by parting it out.

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  • tipc
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    Probably. I was overrun with salvageable and non-salvageable parts.

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  • Casey
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    Originally posted by tipc View Post
    I once won a Zenith puter, no keyboard or monitor, for 1$. I was so ecstatic I promised the seller my first kid (still hasn't been born). Man was I happy. I eventually wound up throwing it out LOL LOL LOL.
    Why? Didn't it at least have some salvageable parts?

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