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  • VERAULT
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    Originally posted by SomeGuy View Post
    BTW: I just went and checked something. I just bought a buy-it-now item for $9.99 (not including shipping) with "seller offer". But the sold item listing still shows "$13.99". De-cep-tive.
    To be fair as a seller I think thats actually a good thing. Why? Well lets say maybe you have alot of one product you are looking to sell but lately it hasn't been selling much. So you make an offer and some takes it for less than asking price. If everyone out there knows what you sold it for, they will all make the same offer and noone would buy it at asking price. Sometimes all you need is a sale, and then next time a random person sees the listing it says things like "1 sold in 1 hour" or " 2 sold in 24 hours". People are strange sometimes they feel better knowing they are following the crowd, not wanting to be the only one they perceive doing something... I'm the complete opposite on that, but I have noticed alot of people behave in this way.
    Last edited by VERAULT; March 9, 2021, 01:13 PM.

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  • SomeGuy
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    Originally posted by charnitz View Post
    [*]Price more than cost of computer it came from.
    Does anyone know what's going on there?
    I've noticed this recently with floppy drives and hard drives. Some people may easily want more than $100 for a pair of floppy drives. Yet a computer CPU unit with the same drives might be slightly less, although with more shipping. I suspect some sellers are removing drives from perfectly fine machines and discarding the rest just because they are easier to ship. (Of course, if it was a rust bucket, that's fine).

    Now, if the parts were coming from a reliable seller that tests and warrants them, that might be one thing, but I don't believe that is usually the case.

    BTW: I just went and checked something. I just bought a buy-it-now item for $9.99 (not including shipping) with "seller offer". But the sold item listing still shows "$13.99". De-cep-tive.
    Last edited by SomeGuy; March 9, 2021, 12:53 PM.

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  • dhau
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    On the other side of this I see people listing "vintage computer" from 2012 with second gen i5 cpu

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  • Exceter
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    One of the ways I try to search for deals is by excluding the word "Vintage" from my search. I try to think like someone who has no idea what they are listing. They may not even realize that it's old.

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  • VERAULT
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    Nope, thats alot of different variables. Sure seen a few together, but most certainly not all and commonly.

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  • charnitz
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    Speaking of expensive eBay listings, has anyone noticed a general trend of vintage parts and components listings sharing these features?
    • Really high buy-it-now price.
    • Price more than cost of computer it came from.
    • Sometimes a picture of the actual item; sometimes not.
    • Multiple listings for the same item all about the same price.
    • Shipping from Hong Kong or nearby.
    • High seller ratings.
    • No indication the item ever sold for that price.

    Does anyone know what's going on there?

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  • framer
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    Originally posted by SomeGuy View Post
    Those kinds of descriptions usually indicate a seller has no idea how to sell something or even what they are selling.

    For example, this one just came up:
    "Vintage Miscellaneous Computer Parts Lot Rare Hard To Find Rare"
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/174673935007?nordt=true

    That description doesn't even tell you what they are selling. They might as well just have left the description blank.

    eBay is ineed mostly driven by search terms. How would anyone ever find this item? Does anyone really search just for the term "rare"? "Vintage" is 100% redundant since it is already filed in vintage computing. How many items come up for "part"? or "computer part"?


    So True...LOL

    framer

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  • VERAULT
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    Oh I know, But I end up with super elaborately long strings..... I was getting at there should be a better way.

    Am I the only person who feels that all their eBay searches are flooded with Cell phone accessories and other irrelevant garbage? I dont need screen, shields, chargers, or phone cases... Not ever...

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  • Timo W.
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    You can use the minus sign to exclude a word when searching. I do this all the time to only see what I'm really looking for.

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  • VERAULT
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    Google has clearly showed "prioritization" in their search results for years now.. Its become an ad run browser.. Its garbage now. it would behoove eBay to have unnecessary words removed from listings to help with search displays. " collectible, rare, etc" do not tell you what the item is. I also think there should be search caveats. I dont want an APPLE Shirt to show up when searching for vintage hardware, nor a mug, nor stickers. I also would like an option to chick on so not a single damned PHONE related listing or accessory EVER shows up on any of my searches (and not watches). Sorry, going to go back to soldering, I haven't breathed in my morning lead fumes yet....

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  • SomeGuy
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    Originally posted by framer View Post
    I hate "RARE" , "SUPER RARE", "Collectable", "Hard to Find" and there are 20 of that same item in the listing. "Collectable" to me is you want me to buy your junk.
    Those kinds of descriptions usually indicate a seller has no idea how to sell something or even what they are selling.

    For example, this one just came up:
    "Vintage Miscellaneous Computer Parts Lot Rare Hard To Find Rare"
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/174673935007?nordt=true

    That description doesn't even tell you what they are selling. They might as well just have left the description blank.

    eBay is ineed mostly driven by search terms. How would anyone ever find this item? Does anyone really search just for the term "rare"? "Vintage" is 100% redundant since it is already filed in vintage computing. How many items come up for "part"? or "computer part"?

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  • Trixter
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    You must be new here.

    My last shred of believing Google wasn't evil died when they changed Google Groups' interface such that it was now nearly impossible to do useful searches against the giant archives of Usenet they acquired from DejaNews.

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  • Bill-kun
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    Originally posted by PeterNC View Post
    Personally I prefer eBay to Facebook Marketplace / Bonanza / Craigslist because there is less hassle. The downside are the fees. Plus the search capabilities on eBay are unrivaled. Google has cut bursts of use of complex queries. Plus it appears Google cuts short the list of displayed results. I can understand why: the compute / RAM used is not offset by ads because deep searches are hard to correlate with ads to sell something. But I miss that from 5 to 8 years ago: Google was far more permissive.
    I didn't even know that. I call major foul on Google for that. In doing so, they betrayed their own original purpose, and thus the users.

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  • framer
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    My2Cents on FleaBay...

    I hate "RARE" , "SUPER RARE", "Collectable", "Hard to Find" and there are 20 of that same item in the listing. "Collectable" to me is you want me to buy your junk.

    I quit looking at all "Buy it Now" listings. I select auctions ending soon and scan for last second bargains. I buy very little these days as I'm trying to find homes for extra parts I acquired over the years. I need to sell some stuff but it take a lot of work to sell stuff for a few dollars.

    framer

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  • PeterNC
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    Personally I prefer eBay to Facebook Marketplace / Bonanza / Craigslist because there is less hassle. The downside are the fees. Plus the search capabilities on eBay are unrivaled. Google has cut bursts of use of complex queries. Plus it appears Google cuts short the list of displayed results. I can understand why: the compute / RAM used is not offset by ads because deep searches are hard to correlate with ads to sell something. But I miss that from 5 to 8 years ago: Google was far more permissive.

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