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    #91
    Originally posted by charnitz View Post
    How can anyone buy (with the intent to keep shrink-wrapped) or sell shrink-wrapped products on eBay, especially at a premium? As the buyer, if you don't open it up to inspect it, it may contain a brick. As the seller, if you don't open it up and inspect it before you sell it, the buyer can claim it contained a brick and you have no photographic evidence you had the contents.

    Also, is it really unscrupulous to sell something as shrink-wrapped without claiming it was never-opened? If is shrink-wrapped, but not claimed as never-opened, the buyer is the one that makes the assumption it was never-opened. Because of the verification problem, wouldn't everything have to be opened, inspected, and re-wrapped anyway?
    I bought a shrink wrapped edition of Windows 7 Ultimate last spring and it was counterfeit. I got a full refund including shipping from the seller and didn't have to go through PayPal or Ebay. There would have been no way to tell if it was legit even if the shrink was removed as it was all about the key.
    Surely not everyone was Kung-Fu fighting

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      #92
      Software is different , much easier to fake. Can't fake a motherboard, although I'm sure China has tried. You can fake "new" though. It's a hazard, but not a large one IMHO.

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        #93
        Originally posted by tipc View Post
        Software is different , much easier to fake. Can't fake a motherboard, although I'm sure China has tried. You can fake "new" though. It's a hazard, but not a large one IMHO.
        The software was real. It was the key that was fake. When you think about it, it would be really hard to put out phoney Windows.
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          #94
          I got stuck with conterfit LM338k,s they were relabeled LM317's. The seller has sold thousands of items. Didn't even respond to me. They don't offer refunds.
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            #95
            Of all the vintage software I have bought from eBeh, I think I have only had one that was deceptively re-shrinkwrapped, but it had everything with it, and didn't cost more than a few bucks, so it did not matter to me.

            I suspect some collectors may re-shrinkwrap boxes just to help protect them, or make them look nicer in a display. Nothing wrong with that as long as they do something, like including a business card under the plastic, or a sticker that would rip it, that somehow indicates it is not original.

            Indeed, when buying it is sometimes better to see what is inside. Sometimes, what looks like a retail box may actually be a "network edition" that only includes manuals, not disks. In fact, I am eying one right now which I am uncertain if disks are actually included or if the shrink wrapped manual boxes were just part of a larger media kit.

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              #96
              I've been lurking on eBay for years and a lot of my collection has come from there, including an IBM 5162 for $200 shipped. It still boots from the original hard disk. I have a couple dozen saved eBay searches which land in my email inbox every morning and I go through them while drinking my coffee. It's become a part of my daily routine. It may seem like there aren't any good deals on eBay but there are. The reason you don't see them is because they sell almost immediately. What you see on eBay is the stuff that hasn't sold immediately because it's overpriced. Being the first one onto a listing takes a little bit of luck but it does happen. Sometimes it takes me 2 years to find things but I always find them sooner or later.

              PS: I flew to Computer Reset so I can tell you from personal experience that the prices are beyond reasonable and the volunteers are great people who just want to see vintage hardware in the hands of collectors. I can't say enough nice things about them. I didn't fill a van or anything like that because I had to ship my purchases back to VT but I left with two big boxes of spare parts, manuals, and an IBM 5161 for $100. The shipping cost twice that. If there's a way for you to make it down there I strongly recommend that you do it.
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                #97
                I sometimes find it informative just to watch items recently sold in the vintage computing section:
                https://www.ebay.com/dsc/Vintage-Com...H_Sold=1&rt=nc

                Especially when some interesting item sold quickly, when I might want to grab photos.

                Although, back to the original topic, who knows if the prices listed are actually what someone paid or not.

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by jafir View Post
                  Some of this even happened “back in the day” but I don’t think those examples were being unscrupulous, in certain instances.
                  Back in the day, software stores would routinely re-wrap returns and put them back out for sale. I know this because I worked at two, and until the Michelangelo virus scare of 1991, this was common practice. I've personally re-wrapped hundreds, if not thousands, of items (which is why I can spot factory vs. re-wraps pretty easily).

                  When those show up for sale, many people didn't know that was a standard practice, so they don't know they're selling something that's been rewrapped. My video will address this too.

                  Originally posted by charnitz View Post
                  How can anyone buy (with the intent to keep shrink-wrapped) or sell shrink-wrapped products on eBay, especially at a premium? As the buyer, if you don't open it up to inspect it, it may contain a brick.
                  There are various markers and indicators that you can use to tell if the wrap is still original from the factory. For people who can do that, there is a collector's buying and selling market.

                  Originally posted by SomeGuy View Post
                  I suspect some collectors may re-shrinkwrap boxes just to help protect them, or make them look nicer in a display. Nothing wrong with that as long as they do something, like including a business card under the plastic, or a sticker that would rip it, that somehow indicates it is not original.
                  I haven't seen anyone willfully indicate their item is re-wrapped.

                  Some software collectors intentionally rip the wrap off to verify contents, and don't care about collectible value. Another reason to discard wrap is to prevent imploding the box over time, but this depends on the box and the wrap. In any case, I will be addressing all of this in my video.
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                    #99
                    To be fair to Ebay sellers... the linked Ebay auction for the IBM AT opened at $300. That is a very reasonable price to open with. The fact it went to almost $1000 was due to overzealous bidding. Even so, if you are a collector and you are missing this one last item, and here one is complete, working, and with a library of software and manuals... it can be tempting. You can always make more money but retro PCs in collectable shape can be far harder to come by. Some times you just have to swing for the fences.

                    I personally hate the folks that try to sell me an item as "new" but they opened it out of shrink supposedly to verify contents. That is BS. It is a "used " item the minute the original shrink wrap comes off. If an item is truly new and in shrink, there is zero need to open to verify contents as the manufacturer is responsible for the contents at that point. I believe this is just another scam attempt to justify a higher price listing.

                    Even retailers have tried to sell "used" stuff as new before. I bought a computer at Best Buy for my wife and got it home, opened the seals and took out the PC, only to find a completed Registration card already filled out inside for an owner just a week earlier. Took it back and they protested mightily about it, and i finally invoked their "7 day, no questions asked" policy and took my business elsewhere as punishment. I'm sure they repackaged it and sold it as new again. I should have trashed the box.

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                      Originally posted by Airxx View Post
                      To be fair to Ebay sellers... the linked Ebay auction for the IBM AT opened at $300. That is a very reasonable price to open with. The fact it went to almost $1000 was due to overzealous bidding. Even so, if you are a collector and you are missing this one last item, and here one is complete, working, and with a library of software and manuals... it can be tempting. You can always make more money but retro PCs in collectable shape can be far harder to come by. Some times you just have to swing for the fences.
                      To be even more fair to seller - he countered my offer with $600 on that listing. I would have taken it, but shipping made it untenable for me considering the weight, especially with the library.
                      I appreciate when a seller counters rather than declining something outright when they should use the lowest acceptable offer option when they list I'm stoked for the seller here - good for him!

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                        One of things that bugs me on Ebay is the "seller refurbished" baloney. How do you refurb a CPU? Did the seller gently tap it with a rubber mallet while it was still mounted in the ZIP socket? And so on.
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                          Originally posted by Agent Orange View Post
                          One of things that bugs me on Ebay is the "seller refurbished" baloney. How do you refurb a CPU? Did the seller gently tap it with a rubber mallet while it was still mounted in the ZIP socket? And so on.
                          Clean off the heatsink compound and straighten and pins that need it?
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                            Originally posted by Trixter View Post
                            which is why my next youtube video is about this very subject.
                            Okay, what's your YouTube channel? Searching, all I get are videos for a hair metal band named "Trixter." Like Limozeen.
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                              Dont talk smack about limozeen! Or trogdor...

                              Comsomate v's!!!

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                                Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
                                Dont talk smack about limozeen! Or trogdor...

                                Comsomate v's!!!
                                Keep on Burninating my friend!

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