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USB card for Windows 95 laptop?

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    If you're in the "buying things" mood - a Parallel Zip 100 drive for the laptop, and a USB ZIP250 for your modern rig.

    That's how I do file transfers on 99% of my PC's - if it's got a parallel port, it'll do ZIP. And the USB 250 drive works great even on Windows 10
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      Originally posted by jafir View Post

      I assume you mean SMB. For my older systems I just use FTP. It would be nice if you could enable older versions of SMB on just one NIC, so that you could have your windows 10 secure on the "internet" side of things, and have a separate network for the older protocols.
      Both SMB and SNMPv1 are used on Windows 9x for networking services. I have a couple of XP era NAS units that wont work without SNMPv1 being enabled.


        SNMP is a management protocol and has nothing to do with file transfer or sharing network drives.

        A NAS may need it because it's, well, a NAS. It's not needed within a Windows network.

        Speeds are going to be slow with USB 2.0 and painful on USB 1.x If you have large numbers of files to copy, it can literally take hours.
        Windows 95 does not even support USB 2.0. You should stay away from USB on anything prior Win98 SE + NUSB.

        Not sure how large the files are you want to copy over from the laptop. But one option might also be to get a USB floppy drive for your modern systems. I assume the laptop has a 3.5" floppy disk drive..?


          Thanks folks for all the suggestions and advice - again, really appreciate it.

          So I got the first PCMCIA card that Eudimorphodon suggested in post #11. Initially I thought the laptop wasn't recognizing it, but it did once the CF card was inserted. Definitely an easy and pretty cheap way to get the files I want off the old laptop and onto my newer one.

          I'm using the older laptop to run some aftermarket automotive programmable ECU software that is old enough that it doesn't run on anything newer than Win98 or maybe XP. I got a good deal on this Win95 laptop so I've been using that. I tried running the ECU software on dosbox on my newer laptop, but it didn't work out because the ECU firmware isn't USB compatible so I couldn't get it to talk to the new laptop. So the old laptop it is, using a serial cable to connect to the ECU. I'll retrieve files from the laptop periodically for backup and analysis, so the CF card is convenient. The hard drive on the 430 CDT is pretty easy to get to, but the CF card will be easier.
          Last edited by racer914; October 15, 2021, 08:32 PM.


            I would never bother trying USB on Windows 95 unless you have specific period hardware which states it can work with it *and* you have the specific manufacturer drivers to go with it. USB just wasn't a consideration when 95 was released and was never good enough for general use. Simply installing the USB support patch might well get motherboard USB ports to be recognised in Device Manager but in many cases you'll struggle to get any further than that. Connecting a USB peripheral and have it just work wasn't really a reality until 98SE was released; you're definitely not going to be sticking any random USB memory stick in a Windows 95 machine and have anything meaningful happen. Also even if you can get your device to work pretty much all 9x era hardware will only support USB 1.1 which is slow as molasses anyway.

            A parallel port ZIP drive and a copy of PalmZip (not that you need it in this case since you can use the Iomega drivers with Windows 95) combined with a USB ZIP drive to plug into your modern machine are excellent investments and easy ways of moving files between pretty much any old machine to any new one. It is going to be pretty slow and of course it's a two stage process but as long as time is not a factor it is a very reliable and very easy to set up yet very cheap solution.

            If networking, you can easily connect your Windows 10 machine to a share on the Windows 95 machine and move files that way. Networking between the two is only a problem if trying to do it the other way around; Windows 95 can see shares on the newer machine but won't be able to supply credentials to connect to them. Allegedly it can be worked around but in years of trying I've never got it to work, especially when you can just connect in the other direction.