Forum Rules and Etiquette

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Rule 1: Remain civil and respectful

There are several hundred people who actively participate here. People come from all different backgrounds and will have different ways of seeing things. You will not agree with everything you read here. Back-and-forth discussions are fine but do not cross the line into rude or disrespectful behavior.

Conduct yourself as you would at any other place where people come together in person to discuss their hobby. If you wouldn't say something to somebody in person, then you probably should not be writing it here.

This should be obvious but, just in case: profanity, threats, slurs against any group (sexual, racial, gender, etc.) will not be tolerated.

Rule 2: Stay close to the original topic being discussed
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  • If you are responding to a thread, stay on topic - the original poster was trying to achieve something. You can always start a new thread instead of potentially "hijacking" an existing thread.

Rule 3: Contribute something meaningful

To put things in engineering terms, we value a high signal to noise ratio. Coming here should not be a waste of time.
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  • Do not "necro-post" unless you are following up to a specific person on a specific thread. And even then, that person may have moved on. Just start a new thread for your related topic.
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Rule 4: "PM Sent!" messages (or, how to use the Private Message system)

This forum has a private message feature that we want people to use for messages that are not of general interest to other members.

In short, if you are going to reply to a thread and that reply is targeted to a specific individual and not of interest to anybody else (either now or in the future) then send a private message instead.

Here are some obvious examples of when you should not reply to a thread and use the PM system instead:
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  • "How much is shipping to ....": This is a very specific and directed question that is not of interest to anybody else.

Why do we have this policy? Sending a "PM Sent!" type message basically wastes everybody else's time by making them having to scroll past a post in a thread that looks to be updated, when the update is not meaningful. And the person you are sending the PM to will be notified by the forum software that they have a message waiting for them. Look up at the top near the right edge where it says 'Notifications' ... if you have a PM waiting, it will tell you there.

Rule 5: Copyright and other legal issues

We are here to discuss vintage computing, so discussing software, books, and other intellectual property that is on-topic is fine. We don't want people using these forums to discuss or enable copyright violations or other things that are against the law; whether you agree with the law or not is irrelevant. Do not use our resources for something that is legally or morally questionable.

Our discussions here generally fall under "fair use." Telling people how to pirate a software title is an example of something that is not allowable here.

Reporting problematic posts

If you see spam, a wildly off-topic post, or something abusive or illegal please report the thread by clicking on the "Report Post" icon. (It looks like an exclamation point in a triangle and it is available under every post.) This send a notification to all of the moderators, so somebody will see it and deal with it.

If you are unsure you may consider sending a private message to a moderator instead.

New user moderation

New users are directly moderated so that we can weed spammers out early. This means that for your first 10 posts you will have some delay before they are seen. We understand this can be disruptive to the flow of conversation and we try to keep up with our new user moderation duties to avoid undue inconvenience. Please do not make duplicate posts, extra posts to bump your post count, or ask the moderators to expedite this process; 10 moderated posts will go by quickly.

New users also have a smaller personal message inbox limit and are rate limited when sending PMs to other users.

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8" Floppy Questions

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    8" Floppy Questions

    I stupidly ordered an 8" floppy from Ebay because it was cheap (relatively speaking), but only after I had bid did I do research on the exact model, discovering it to be a single-sided drive. It's a Shugart 801 (in case my research was wrong), and if my research is correct I need a Shugart 850 to read all 8" formats.

    Is it possible to make an SD drive read DS disks? I want to hook this up to a catweasel and use it to read/write to any 8" format, but if this drive is incapable it looks like I just wasted money, and I'm too poor to be happy about that.

    Can it at least utilize a DS disk as a "flippy" (I assume an additional protect hole would need to be punched)?

    I know one person with an 8" floppy near me, and I'm going to find out what model it is and if they'll swap - I know it isn't in use.

    If that doesn't work out, is anyone on here willing to swap a DS drive for this SD drive?

    If anyone felt like outbidding me, which is still an option atm (I'm in for up to $30..) the link is here:
    More commonly known as "Yushatak" -
    Focused on 486 and Pentium Machines
    I collect All-In-One PCs and Keyboard PCs, especially Compaq.

    Short of replacing the head carriage and the electronics PCB, no, it's not possible to handle DS disks on a SS drive. If you think about a second, it's obvious. If you flip the diskette over (and there were factory-original "flippy" 8" diskettes), it'll be spinning backwards, relative to the data.

    I saw the SA-801 on eBay and probably should have cautioned you away from it.
    Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.




      Someone outbid me! Yay!

      If it was someone here, thank you. I really couldn't afford to buy a drive I can't use.
      Last edited by Raven; December 13, 2009, 05:32 PM.
      More commonly known as "Yushatak" -
      Focused on 486 and Pentium Machines
      I collect All-In-One PCs and Keyboard PCs, especially Compaq.


        Really depends on what you want to do with it. Most software on 8" drives is actully in SDSS IBM format. These drives while noisy and slow will work fine.

        If you into double density or double sided then you are out of luck.


          I want to be able to read/write every 8" format there is, which, provided that the physical drive is capable of accessing a physical disk type, a catweasel will allow me to do - thusly I need a DSDD drive. Luckily for me someone outbid me - I'll be seeking a Shugart 850 (or other brand equivalent, like IBM) when I go after this again, but that'll be a bit - for now I'm going to expand my collection of Commodore items a bit.
          More commonly known as "Yushatak" -
          Focused on 486 and Pentium Machines
          I collect All-In-One PCs and Keyboard PCs, especially Compaq.


            To avoid another close call, you can PM me with any potential purchase you're thinking about making. I'll be happy to give you the thumbs-up or down on it.
            Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.


              Originally posted by Chuck(G) View Post
              To avoid another close call, you can PM me with any potential purchase you're thinking about making. I'll be happy to give you the thumbs-up or down on it.
              Yeah, I've already done some research but I'll check with you anywho - with my income it pays to be sure. :P

              More commonly known as "Yushatak" -
              Focused on 486 and Pentium Machines
              I collect All-In-One PCs and Keyboard PCs, especially Compaq.