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    #31
    Originally posted by Mike Chambers View Post
    THANKS to amouse for posting this! i've never heard of PC/IX before, it looks pretty cool. looks like a lot of you are having problems getting it to run without using real hardware. it runs perfectly the PC emu i've been writing.

    i can upload it pretty soon if anybody wants to try PC/IX but have been having problems with other emulators. from what i've seen so far, MINIX 2 blows this out of the water.

    not really a fair comparison though, but this is a really cool piece of computing history.

    Well I'm using real hardware and it has issues for me just trying to install it.

    You have installed it on your emulator? How did the install go , any problems?
    Last edited by Klee; March 30, 2011, 07:18 AM.

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      #32
      well all i really did with it was boot the maintenance disk and run a few commands, so i havent exactly given it a full work out.
      sigpic

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        #33
        I will Like to try it, i have been looking for it to "Emulate" Andrew Tanenbaum minix 1.0 dev environment and compile it (minix 1.0) over it.

        would be nice if you can share a virtualized image. thanks in advance

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          #34
          I'm still having no luck installing this , the maint disk will boot on a 286 with 1 mb ram . It does not like a VGA card as the lower half of all text is missing.

          I have been using a microscience 20mb drive and a WD XT- GEN controller card and letting the installer create a 10 mb partition.

          After the install it , both on the 8088 and 286 , errors out that it cannot boot unix.

          I'm thinking it has issues with larger hard drives than 10 mb.

          Maybe I need a IBM machine to install it on, could it be checking for the IBM BASIC roms that are not on my clone.?

          This would really be cool it it would just boot up , as it is supposed to work on a 8088 with 256k ram.

          Does anybody have any docs on this OS ? I cannot find any manuals at all.

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            #35
            I THINK PC/IX will only run on very specific hardware. XT and very compatibles with mono card. I can't seem to verify this anywhere though.

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              #36
              I guess the next step for me is to try it on my 8086 Deskpro since its supposed to be the most compatible "compatible".

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                #37


                This is what it does on the deskpro.

                It is slightly different on the deskpro in that the message " booting /unix from partition + with the underscore " is just a box that looks like a curser on the other pc's.

                I really could use some docs on this.

                I forgot to post this , PC/IX does not like any cpu speed except 4.77 mhz. Turbo mode on the 286 has to be turned off otherwise it gives read errors if you "ls" to display the contents of the boot floppy. The deskpro boots with turbo mode turned off.

                So far every mono card displays just fine.

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                  #38
                  How does the install work? can you mess around in a shell after installing, but before rebooting? Just to verify that files needed (like /unix) are indeed on the hard drive.
                  Second thought: have you tried with a partition of 10 MB or smaller?
                  Torfinn

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by tingo View Post
                    How does the install work?
                    Boot off the floppy and then type "install" , as soon as it drops to a curser hit the spacebar , its seems to be a bit inconsistant you may have to reboot several times to get the installer to work.

                    Once the installer is up you just run through the options until it says its done and then your back at thr SS shell.

                    Originally posted by tingo View Post
                    can you mess around in a shell after installing, but before rebooting? Just to verify that files needed (like /unix) are indeed on the hard drive.
                    I have not been able to so far , after the install your back at the stand alone shell prompt on the floppy with no options to mount the hard drive.

                    Originally posted by tingo View Post
                    Second thought: have you tried with a partition of 10 MB or smaller?
                    Yes a 8mb and a 9.5 mb partition.

                    I really wish someone with a IBM 8088 pc with a min of 256K ram and a 10 mb hard drive would give it a go to see if they have better luck.

                    I have hit a wall with this , I really think you must have a 10 mb hard drive to get it to work.

                    I also think the maint disk image has errors on it because if you try to run some of the commands of the floppy it gives read errors.

                    UNIX on a 8088 pc , or maybe a s-100 system , with 256k ram is just so cool............if it would just work.
                    Last edited by Klee; April 13, 2011, 05:20 PM.

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                      #40
                      I'm planning on trying this out with my true (big) blue IBM 5150 when I get a chance to pick it up -- currently at my parents' place in WV. I'll try with the XTIDE, and a MFM controller if that doesn't work. I'll report back on the install process.
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                        #41
                        Originally posted by glitch View Post
                        I'm planning on trying this out with my true (big) blue IBM 5150 when I get a chance to pick it up -- currently at my parents' place in WV. I'll try with the XTIDE, and a MFM controller if that doesn't work. I'll report back on the install process.
                        I was never able to get the installer started with the XTIDE in my deskpro only with a mfm card and drive.

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                          #42
                          Anyone know what, if any, network card will work with this? Presumably it must have an IP stack.... if the installer can be made to work of course.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Klee View Post
                            I really wish someone with a IBM 8088 pc with a min of 256K ram and a 10 mb hard drive would give it a go to see if they have better luck.
                            Unfortunately, all my machines of that particular class is 286 or higher.
                            Torfinn

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                              #44
                              nevermind on my emu running it right, i can't install it to a hard disk image in it because it does direct controller access. i only emulate on the BIOS level on int 13h!

                              sorry. damn. runs fine off the floppy images though.
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                                #45
                                Here are the PX/IX hardware requirements taken from an IBM booth handout at the UNIX Systems EXPO/84



                                PUBLICATIONS
                                The publications for PC/IX, except for the General Information Manual, are provided in loose-leaf binders; they are:
                                - General Information Manual (GH20-6247) Part # 6277855 (Version 1.1)
                                - User's Manual (SH26-6365); Binder # SH20-6364
                                - Programmer's Guide (SH20-6367); Binder # SH20-6366
                                - System Manager's Guide (SH20-6369); Binder # SH20-6368
                                - Text Processing Guide (SH20-6371); Binder # SH20-6370

                                A copy of each of the above documents and binders will be supplied automatically with the machine-readable material or may be ordered separately at general availability. The General Information Manual for Version 1.1 will be available at product shipment.

                                SCHEDULE
                                PC/IX Version 1.0 is available now. Planned availability for PC/IX Version 1.1 is 4Q84.

                                TECHNICAL INFORMATION

                                SPECIFIED OPERATING ENVIRONMENT
                                PC/IX Version 1.0 supports the IBM Personal Computer XT, the IBM Personal Computer with Fixed Disk Expansion, and the IBM Personal Computer XT/370. PC/IX Version 1.1 supports the IBM Personal Computer AT in addition to those supported by Version 1.0. All minimum configurations require 256 KB of memory, one Dual Sided Diskette Drive, and one Fixed Disk Drive.

                                The minimum hardware configuration for the IBM Personal Computer XT consists of:
                                1 IBM Personal Computer XT System Unit/Keyboard (Model 5160087), which includes the following:

                                - 1 Dual Sided Diskette Drive;
                                - 1 10 MB Fixed Disk Drive;
                                - 1 Asynchronous Communications Support Adapter;
                                - 128 KB of Memory.

                                - 2 64 KB Memory Module Kits (Option 1501003), for a total of 256 KB of memory.
                                - 1 IBM Monochrome Display (Option 5151001) and Adapter (Option 1504900)
                                OR
                                - 1 IBM Color Display (Option 5153001) and Adapter (Option 1504910); the Color Display is supported in text mode only.

                                Note: The Monochrome and Color Displays may both be used within the same PC/IX system. Switching between the displays may be accomplished using the PC/IX STTY command.

                                The minimum configuration for the IBM Personal Computer with Fixed Disk Expansion consists of:
                                1 IBM Personal Computer System Unit/Keyboard (Model 5150164), which includes the following:

                                - 1 Dual Sided Diskette Drive;
                                - 64 KB of Memory.

                                - 1 IBM Personal Computer Expansion Unit Model 001 with a 10 MB Fixed Disk Drive and Fixed Disk Adapter (Option 5161001).
                                - 3 64 KB Memory Module Kits (Option 1501003), for a total of 256 KB of memory.
                                - 1 IBM Monochrome Display (Option 5151001) and Adapter (Option 1504900)
                                OR
                                - 1 IBM Color Display (Option 5153001) and Adapter (Option 1504910); the Color Display is supported in text mode only.

                                The minimum configuration for the IBM Personal Computer XT/370 Model 516058 consists of:
                                1 IBM Personal Computer XT/370 System Unit/Keyboard (Model 516058, which includes the following:
                                - 640 KB of memory;
                                - 1 Dual Sided Diskette Drive with Adapter;
                                - 1 10 MB Fixed Disk Drive and Adapter; XT/370 Processor Card;
                                - XT/370 Memory Card;
                                - XT/370 3277 Emulation Card.

                                - 1 IBM Monochrome Display (Option 5151001) and Adapter (Option 1504900)
                                OR
                                - 1 IBM Color Display (Option 5153001) and Adapter (Option 1504910); the Color Display is supported in text mode only.

                                The minimum configuration for the IBM Personal Computer XT/370 Model 516056
                                1 IBM Personal Computer XT/370 System Unit/Keyboard (Model 516058, which includes the following:
                                - 640 KB of memory;
                                - 1 Dual Sided Diskette Drive with Adapter;
                                - XT/370 Processor Card;
                                - XT/370 Memory Card;
                                - XT/370 3277 Emulation Card.
                                - 1 10 MB Fixed Disk Drive (Option 5161001).
                                - 1 IBM Monochrome Display (Option 5151001) and Adapter (Option 1504900)
                                OR
                                - 1 IBM Color Display (Option 5153001) and Adapter (Option 1504910); the Color Display is supported in text mode only.

                                Note: PC/IX supports the PC-XT/370 utilizing the PC HARDWARE, not the XT/370 HARDWARE.

                                The minimum configuration for the IBM Personal Computer AT (517006 consists of:
                                1 IBM Personal Computer AT System Unit/Keyboard (517006 which includes the following:
                                - 1 256 KB of Memory;
                                - 1 1.2 MB Diskette Drive;
                                - 1 20 MB Fixed Disk Drive.
                                - 1 IBM Monochrome Display (Option 5151001) and Adapter (Option 1504900)
                                OR
                                - 1 IBM Color Display (Option 5153001) and Adapter (Option 1504910); the Color Display is supported in text mode only.

                                The minimum configuration for the IBM Personal Computer AT (5170099) consists of:
                                - 1 IBM Personal Computer AT System Unit/Keyboard (5170099) which includes the following:
                                - 1 512 KB of Memory;
                                - 1 1.2 MB Diskette Drive;
                                - 1 20 MB Fixed Disk Drive.
                                - 1 IBM Monochrome Display (Option 5151001) and Adapter (Option 1504900)
                                OR
                                - 1 IBM Color Display (Option 5153001) and Adapter (Option 1504910); the Color Display is supported in text mode only.

                                Note: PC/IX Version 1.1 is required to utilize the IBM Personal Computer AT. The following optional hardware is supported:
                                - Additional memory up to a total of 640 KB; 64/256 KB Memory Expansion (Option 1501013), 64 KB Memory Module Kit (Option 1501003).
                                - 128 KB Memory Expansion (Feature 0209) and 512 KB Memory Expansion (Feature 0203) for the PC AT.
                                - 8087 Math Co-Processor (Option 1501002).
                                - 80287 Math Co-Processor (Feature 0211) for the PC AT.
                                - Up to 2 Asynchronous Communications Adapters (Option 1502074).
                                - 1 Additional 10 MB Fixed Disk Drive (Option 1602500) for use with the PC Expansion Unit ~Iodel 001 (Option 5161001).
                                - 1 Additional 20 MB Fixed Disk Drive (Feature 0205) for use with the PC AT. A maximum of two diskette drives and one fixed disk drive or two fixed disk drives and one diskette drive can be attached to the PC/AT.
                                - 1 IBM Personal Computer Expansion Unit Model 002 with a 10 MB Fixed Disk Drive (Option 5161002) for attachment to the PC/XT.
                                - Up to 3 additional single sided or dual sided diskette drives for a total of 4.
                                - Up to 2 IBM Graphics Printers (Option 5152002) or IBM 80 CPS Matrix Printers or IBM Color Printers (Option 5182001).

                                Note: Not all of the above options are available on each Personal Computer model.

                                PLANNING INFORMATION

                                Customer Responsibility

                                The customer is responsible for installation of the Personal Computer Interactive Executive. Installation instructions are contained in the PC/IX System Manager's Guide, SH20-6369.

                                PC/IX consists of nineteen (19) diskettes, grouped into subsets for ease of installation:
                                - Maintenance Subset; one (1) diskette.
                                - Core Subset; eight ( diskettes.
                                - Programming Subset; four (4) diskettes.
                                - Communications Subset; one (1) diskette.
                                - Source Code Control System Subset; one (1) diskette.
                                - Text Processing Subset; one (1) diskette.
                                - Special Purpose Subset; one (1) diskette.
                                - System Accounting Subset; one (1) diskette.
                                - Games Subset; one (1) diskette.

                                After the Maintenance and Core Subsets have been installed, the remaining subsets may be installed at the customer's option, depending on processing requirements and available fixed disk space.

                                Any shipments to a country outside of the United States require a U.S. Government license.

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