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There are several hundred people who actively participate here. People come from all different backgrounds and will have different ways of seeing things. You will not agree with everything you read here. Back-and-forth discussions are fine but do not cross the line into rude or disrespectful behavior.

Conduct yourself as you would at any other place where people come together in person to discuss their hobby. If you wouldn't say something to somebody in person, then you probably should not be writing it here.

This should be obvious but, just in case: profanity, threats, slurs against any group (sexual, racial, gender, etc.) will not be tolerated.

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  • If you are responding to a thread, stay on topic - the original poster was trying to achieve something. You can always start a new thread instead of potentially "hijacking" an existing thread.

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To put things in engineering terms, we value a high signal to noise ratio. Coming here should not be a waste of time.
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Rule 4: "PM Sent!" messages (or, how to use the Private Message system)

This forum has a private message feature that we want people to use for messages that are not of general interest to other members.

In short, if you are going to reply to a thread and that reply is targeted to a specific individual and not of interest to anybody else (either now or in the future) then send a private message instead.

Here are some obvious examples of when you should not reply to a thread and use the PM system instead:
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Why do we have this policy? Sending a "PM Sent!" type message basically wastes everybody else's time by making them having to scroll past a post in a thread that looks to be updated, when the update is not meaningful. And the person you are sending the PM to will be notified by the forum software that they have a message waiting for them. Look up at the top near the right edge where it says 'Notifications' ... if you have a PM waiting, it will tell you there.

Rule 5: Copyright and other legal issues

We are here to discuss vintage computing, so discussing software, books, and other intellectual property that is on-topic is fine. We don't want people using these forums to discuss or enable copyright violations or other things that are against the law; whether you agree with the law or not is irrelevant. Do not use our resources for something that is legally or morally questionable.

Our discussions here generally fall under "fair use." Telling people how to pirate a software title is an example of something that is not allowable here.

Reporting problematic posts

If you see spam, a wildly off-topic post, or something abusive or illegal please report the thread by clicking on the "Report Post" icon. (It looks like an exclamation point in a triangle and it is available under every post.) This send a notification to all of the moderators, so somebody will see it and deal with it.

If you are unsure you may consider sending a private message to a moderator instead.

New user moderation

New users are directly moderated so that we can weed spammers out early. This means that for your first 10 posts you will have some delay before they are seen. We understand this can be disruptive to the flow of conversation and we try to keep up with our new user moderation duties to avoid undue inconvenience. Please do not make duplicate posts, extra posts to bump your post count, or ask the moderators to expedite this process; 10 moderated posts will go by quickly.

New users also have a smaller personal message inbox limit and are rate limited when sending PMs to other users.

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    All Righty Then...
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    Nice piece.

    Is that for real?
    WANTED: Cardinal 2450MNP modem.


      Originally posted by Ole Juul View Post
      Nice piece.
      And a very, very, VERY nice price.

      Each kit must have cost Bill and company at least $10 to put together, not including the FedEx charges they presumably paid to get them to their destinations quickly.
      From probably 20.00 dollars total to 399,000.00 dollars total? Interesting......

      Remember, wherever you go, there you are.


        It's never going to sell for that amount. Maybe 8 to 10 K but not 399K. It's only a press kit. Now, if it was something like a preview of the actual OS you could load on a computer, maybe that would fetch more. I wonder if Xerox has anything about their GUI which is where Gates got it from. What a stupid thing Xerox did practically giving away their work.


          Actually that is a re-listing. The first original starting bid was $950k. Just for shits and giggles I had it on my watch list for a while... HERE
          "A printer consists of three main parts: the case, the jammed paper tray and the blinking red light."


            Wow, and I thought asking $3000 for a Laser 128 with a broken keyboard was bad...



              Originally posted by TomFCS View Post
              The first original starting bid was $950k.
              Unless many people were worshiping it, I just don't see how you come up with that high of a price. Just 50 thousand away from 1 MILLION dollars.

              Remember, wherever you go, there you are.


                I wonder if the seller knows that there are people who live at the South Pole... Not McMurdo, but at the South Pole.

                Or on the ISS...

                Let's see him hand-deliver there...
                Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.


                  For that kind of coin, i'd hand deliver it too. Its almost guaranteed to be a wealthy country. On a side note look at his feedback, $1000 for a doll? seriously? I wouldn't take a dump on that and someone paid $1000 for it.
                  It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.


                    I'm sure if he makes a $400,000 sale the ticket/expenses/hotel/igloo would be satisfactorily covered by the sale. Although I suppose that could also be an offer that would end up in the shipping charge.
                    Looking to acquire: IBM 5100, Altair 8800


                      Originally posted by barythrin View Post
                      I'm sure if he makes a $400,000 sale the ticket/expenses/hotel/igloo would be satisfactorily covered by the sale. Although I suppose that could also be an offer that would end up in the shipping charge.
                      How would he smuggle that thing aboard a Soyuz rocket for the ISS? $400K wouldn't even begin to cover the expense.
                      Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.


                        Originally posted by Chuck(G) View Post
                        How would he smuggle that thing aboard a Soyuz rocket for the ISS? $400K wouldn't even begin to cover the expense.
                        Hell, with the old hardware the Russians use, it'd fit right in.....They'd think it was for cleaning the condensation off the inside of the port-holes and the book was a users manual. A capitalist American English users manual, no less.
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                          Originally posted by Chuck(G) View Post
                          How would he smuggle that thing aboard a Soyuz rocket for the ISS? $400K wouldn't even begin to cover the expense.
                          Pfft.. easy, they paid the delivery for a pizza butt pizza, I'm sure they can cover the shipping.
                          Looking to acquire: IBM 5100, Altair 8800