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    #16
    Originally posted by thenzero View Post
    (I guffawed at the Silverchair reference)
    I'm happy you got it, wasn't sure anyone would.

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      #17
      He is free to ask what he wants for it. Others are free to buy or not or negotiate a price. At the same time I agree with those who say if you want top dollar for something (or even crazy dollar for something), you have to do the work of cleaning it up and testing its condition some. I've got mixed feelings on "ad-stomping". Again, the person is free to ask what they want, but at the same time people should be free to express their thoughts. This is a forum after all.

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        #18
        I haven’t been here long, but I would think it would be more of a problem if you came in here saying that a computer was a piece of crap or no one would want it or something like that. Just coming in to state how much you think something should sell for or that an asking price is unreasonably high in your opinion shouldn’t be a big deal (in my opinion). In fact I hope someone will always keep us straight on that score. Sales between enthusiasts ought to be more about the love of these machines than making a buck, right?
        Toshiba T1000 w/ modem & memory upgrade
        Compaq Deskpro 4/25iS (Win3.1)
        Apple //e

        wanted: dx2odp66 or similar (169 pin overdrive chip)

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          #19
          Sadly, I think we are going to see more of this. People who have not done their homework, or any research on an item, and expect absurd eBay prices. Thing is, in a case like that, all it takes is a couple of cold, dry facts to burst someone's bubble.

          Perhaps they saw a pristine Apple IIc Plus sell for $500. It's the same thing.... right? (Fact: No)

          I don't believe I have really heard the term "ad stomping" before. Had to search for that a bit.

          "Ad stomping" is the act of posting disparaging or derogatory comments or reviews about an item listed for sale, possibly with the intent of preventing a sale or reducing a price below what it is worth. That may even include making absurdly low low-ball offers.

          If there were a reasonable sale posted, and someone came along saying "Your machine smells of elderberries!", that might be ad stomping.

          I can see how on some forums, where selling things is a major part of what they do, that that could be a serious problem.

          We haven't had much of a problem with that here. Most of those kinds of sellers just go directly to eBay.

          Ug, case in point:
          https://www.ebay.com/itm/274840394234

          Zenith OEM OS/2 1.0 for $2000? Facts: Most collectors would probably want genuine IBM packaging, Zenith stuff isn't exactly sexy. Looking at recent eBay sales I see a couple early OS/2 server products sold for around or over $500, but those are a different ballgame than client stuff. I'd love to know if any OS/2 1.0 sold for that much somewhere. Also, that seller mis-typed "OS/2" as "O/S 2" so they probably won't even get many views. From what I have seen, that might sell for a couple hundred dollars, so certainly worth something. Any of that too negative? Perhaps Bill Gates would pay that much for a copy to throw darts at? Too negative now? :P

          Of course, on a forum, sellers can come back and somewhat counter negative comments. Things like "I think it is worth that much because [insert good reason that should have been stated originally, here]".

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            #20
            Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
            Yeah, you really cant trust a new user whose first post is trying to make a sale. I wish there was a 6 month hold or something on things like that. Coming to our forum and thinking we are crack addicts for what they are selling.
            Hardforum has a good system. The FS/FT section is not visible to guests, you need to log in to see it. If you are a member, you need a minimum post count of 100 to start threads in the section, but you can reply to threads. It's up to the seller/trader whether they'll deal with you or not.

            I also feel we need something similar here. Been too many fly by night scammers here over the years, or people that post trash and never come back.

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              #21
              That sounds like a really good implementation to me. Straightforward and it makes sense.

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                #22
                Yeah that sounds like a great idea.
                Toshiba T1000 w/ modem & memory upgrade
                Compaq Deskpro 4/25iS (Win3.1)
                Apple //e

                wanted: dx2odp66 or similar (169 pin overdrive chip)

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