Forum Rules and Etiquette

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This forum is part of our mission to promote the preservation of vintage computers through education and outreach. (In real life we also run events and have a museum.) We encourage you to join us, participate, share your knowledge, and enjoy.

This forum has been around in this format for over 15 years. These rules and guidelines help us maintain a healthy and active community, and we moderate the forum to keep things on track. Please familiarize yourself with these rules and guidelines.

Rule 1: Remain civil and respectful

There are several hundred people who actively participate here. People come from all different backgrounds and will have different ways of seeing things. You will not agree with everything you read here. Back-and-forth discussions are fine but do not cross the line into rude or disrespectful behavior.

Conduct yourself as you would at any other place where people come together in person to discuss their hobby. If you wouldn't say something to somebody in person, then you probably should not be writing it here.

This should be obvious but, just in case: profanity, threats, slurs against any group (sexual, racial, gender, etc.) will not be tolerated.

Rule 2: Stay close to the original topic being discussed
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  • If you are responding to a thread, stay on topic - the original poster was trying to achieve something. You can always start a new thread instead of potentially "hijacking" an existing thread.

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To put things in engineering terms, we value a high signal to noise ratio. Coming here should not be a waste of time.
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Rule 4: "PM Sent!" messages (or, how to use the Private Message system)

This forum has a private message feature that we want people to use for messages that are not of general interest to other members.

In short, if you are going to reply to a thread and that reply is targeted to a specific individual and not of interest to anybody else (either now or in the future) then send a private message instead.

Here are some obvious examples of when you should not reply to a thread and use the PM system instead:
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Why do we have this policy? Sending a "PM Sent!" type message basically wastes everybody else's time by making them having to scroll past a post in a thread that looks to be updated, when the update is not meaningful. And the person you are sending the PM to will be notified by the forum software that they have a message waiting for them. Look up at the top near the right edge where it says 'Notifications' ... if you have a PM waiting, it will tell you there.

Rule 5: Copyright and other legal issues

We are here to discuss vintage computing, so discussing software, books, and other intellectual property that is on-topic is fine. We don't want people using these forums to discuss or enable copyright violations or other things that are against the law; whether you agree with the law or not is irrelevant. Do not use our resources for something that is legally or morally questionable.

Our discussions here generally fall under "fair use." Telling people how to pirate a software title is an example of something that is not allowable here.

Reporting problematic posts

If you see spam, a wildly off-topic post, or something abusive or illegal please report the thread by clicking on the "Report Post" icon. (It looks like an exclamation point in a triangle and it is available under every post.) This send a notification to all of the moderators, so somebody will see it and deal with it.

If you are unsure you may consider sending a private message to a moderator instead.

New user moderation

New users are directly moderated so that we can weed spammers out early. This means that for your first 10 posts you will have some delay before they are seen. We understand this can be disruptive to the flow of conversation and we try to keep up with our new user moderation duties to avoid undue inconvenience. Please do not make duplicate posts, extra posts to bump your post count, or ask the moderators to expedite this process; 10 moderated posts will go by quickly.

New users also have a smaller personal message inbox limit and are rate limited when sending PMs to other users.

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AVL Eagle IIe for sale

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    AVL Eagle IIe for sale

    I am selling my newly acquired Eagle IIe (Eagle II) . Cosmetically it is in excellent condition, slightly dirty but nothing terrible. No video is being displayed although I am able to get raster to display. (Following the CRT module adjustments in this doc: http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stut...nual_Jan83.pdf. there is 23.9 VDC between Q101 transistor and ground. I turned up main brightness to be able to have the raster show).

    There is a RIFA capacitor that has blown on the main power board however a red LED on the main board lights up. Also there is correct VDC (+5/ +12 / -12) coming off of the main power board to the CRT and main board (connectors J3 and J4 if I recall correctly).

    When I press "T" and hit RESET nothing happens and nothing appears on the screen. Both drive lights come on but I do not hear or see any drive activity

    I am looking for reasonable offers (obviously but will ask for $100 over agreed price for packing and shipping. I will ship this double boxed with plenty of packing material between the computer and inner box and then packing material between the inner and outer boxes.

    I will only ship to continental U.S.

    Reason for selling: As I said I just acquired this computer 2 days ago. The vintage computer bug hit me and the Eagle is my 3rd vintage computer that isn't working. I have a Commodore B128-80 and a TRS-80 m3 that don't work. I am hoping that a nu6509 board will get the B128 working and pretty sure my CRT board is bad on the M3.). When I first came to this site and forums I was told not to get too many projects going. Well I didn't listen and here we are. Also, the Eagle is a CP/M machine, I don't know much about CP/M and honestly there are other things that I'd rather spend my time on.


    The name badge fell off but still have it and will be sent. I was going to glue it back on but since I decided to sell it I will let the buyer do that.

    That's funny. the Badge fell off of my Eagle II when I was picking it up in New Jersey. Thankfully its owner picked it up and showed it to me or it would have been lost. I think they used some sort of soft cheese as an adhesive judging by how it completely failed.


      I've had similar problems with other badges that were stuck on using some sort of double-sided adhesive tape. I just take the dried-out tape, clean it and the badge off, give each a spritz of Super77 and stick it all back together. Good for another 20 years or so.
      Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.


        I use contact cement for these style aluminum badges. ITs not the strongest but it works, it does react with some paints though.


          The Eagle was produced by Audio Visual Laboratories and was very popular among the AV crowd for managing slide show presentations. One small issue: the entire range of Eagles used the same keyboard badge (IIE), so the keyboard itself is not an indicator of what the system actually is. For that, look to the badge on the rear of the unit.

          I recall that Eagle used to have "competitions" where the object was to see how quickly the system could go from packing box to system booted. I think the record was under 1 minute. The general idea was "you can do it; any idiot can".
          Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.


            The badge is missing from my Eagle 1600, so they must have kept using the same crappy glue.