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    #46
    Hi Leaknoil!

    I must have seen you there I was the fat guy wearing a light green polo shirt and a brown fedora. My space is much more limited, so I only ended up with a large keyboard 2001, a 4032, and an 8032.

    They're dirty as hell, but I've already started cleaning and checking voltage levels. The 4032 boots up fine, no issues! I've already been having fun with BASIC. The 2001 has a bad transformer (I think) so I'll have to pull it and really check it out. No voltage making it out to the secondary windings. The 8032 works but I think it's got bad video ram, because the display gets corrupted if too many characters are on screen (and becomes un-corrupted when the screen is cleared). In any case, I have high hopes that I'll get all three in fully restored, 100% clean condition.

    All in all I'm happy. I wish I'd had more room to take more stuff, but I just don't Broke my heart to see anything left behind, but I guess that's life.
    Seth Morabito
    Commodore and DEC Enthusiast
    Poulsbo, WA, USA

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      #47
      I may have over done it myself. Just because you have the space does not mean you should use it ;D

      I got away with 3 PS/2, a Hyndai 386, 2 generic 386s and 2 generic 286s, a Compaq Portable II, some model M keyboards and what I think is a terminal of some sort. So far all but 2 work. The first one I plugged in blew out a cap, it was quite spectacular and the Hyundai machine posts but then re-boots.

      2 of the 3 PS/2 give me a 1701 error, and the third one boots and works just fine.

      O, I also got brand new looking MFM HDD, 58Mb I believe, and what looks like an 8bit ISA RTC/IO clock card.

      I have a 5 foot stack in my living room.

      I did not grab any PETs because I simply don't have the space to store them long term, and last time I tried to sell the PET I got there was only one bid and it was last minute (even though at least 5 different people asked me to get them one).

      I think I was the second last person to leave, there was another guy loading up 2 cars with pets when I left.
      Last edited by lutiana; May 7, 2011, 05:19 PM.

      IBM 5160 - 360k, 1.44Mb Floppies, NEC V20, 8087-3, 45MB MFM Hard Drive, Vega 7 Graphics, IBM 5154 Monitor running MS-DOS 5.00
      IBM PCJr Model 48360 640kb RAM, NEC V20,, jrIDE Side Cart, 360kb Floppy drives running MS-DOS 5.00
      Evergreen Am5x86-133 64Mb Ram, 8gb HDD, SB16 in a modified ATX case running IBM PC-DOS 7.10

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        #48
        I haven't even tried to turn anything on. Too tired to move. Pets are heavy and I parked too far away. Couple of the pets I grabbed have all sorts of extra cards in them. With odd switches and ribbon cables running around. Some look loose too. Going to have to be careful with them.

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          #49
          I was going to ask if the place had any power outlet so people could plug in the machines before bringing them away. As you posted there still were plenty of machines left when the last person leaved, and the demand from the local collectors crowd might have been satiated, it would be unfortunate if working PET's go to landfill while broken ones were taken care of. When I hand picked PET's a couple of years ago, I made sure to power each one on before putting it in my car. I estimate about 60-70% of them would work right away, at least getting to the Basic prompt with correct amount of memory and keyboard reasonably responsible.
          Anders Carlsson

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            #50
            I came out with a few pieces of software, but that was it. Everything I wanted was gone by the time I got in there. I had found a boxed copy of GEOS for Commodore and Koala Pads for Apple II (last time I got a Koala pad for Commodore) during the preview, but I couldn't find them.

            I did manage to get MacPaint and System 7.1.1 Pro Upgrade. Wasn't a complete loss because I was also in the area for a Craigslist listing, and picked up for $10 the 3-ring binder version of Inside Macintosh volumes I-V + X-Ref and ResEdit. Made it worth the trip.

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              #51
              Not to bring back the dead yet but did anyone see what was left? Think he'll do another smash and grab party or did they go to the recyclers finally? Anyone know the story on how this all ended up there and what he's up to? Alan joined the VCGM to post it which is nice but not sure if he's on the forums.
              Looking to acquire: IBM 5100, Altair 8800

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                #52
                He said he was not going to do another one. Someone was going to come back and take quite a few more pets, and then the rest was going out to the recyclers.

                Although, if he joined the VCGM then he may try to sell a few things there.

                IBM 5160 - 360k, 1.44Mb Floppies, NEC V20, 8087-3, 45MB MFM Hard Drive, Vega 7 Graphics, IBM 5154 Monitor running MS-DOS 5.00
                IBM PCJr Model 48360 640kb RAM, NEC V20,, jrIDE Side Cart, 360kb Floppy drives running MS-DOS 5.00
                Evergreen Am5x86-133 64Mb Ram, 8gb HDD, SB16 in a modified ATX case running IBM PC-DOS 7.10

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                  #53
                  If most of the stuff are heavy, bulky items in need of service the market might not be there, sadly. From what I've learned in the PET repair threads, many of the rescued machines had more or less issues which is explainable as it was a former repair center. Just as much as it hurts to think about vintage computers going to recycling, it appears the market might be satied enough to not be worth the shipping expenses.

                  Perhaps though some movie producers in the relative neighbourhood would get a couple of machines to use as props in whatever productions they're planning. Often those advertise to loan or rent a computer not in their storage, so if they have the room a few leftover PETs might end up at their places instead of directly to recycling.
                  Anders Carlsson

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                    #54
                    @Maverick1978 - I have a shipping quote etc from you. The original box and packaging should be good enough to ship it.

                    PM me, I can't PM you since it says your mail box is full.

                    IBM 5160 - 360k, 1.44Mb Floppies, NEC V20, 8087-3, 45MB MFM Hard Drive, Vega 7 Graphics, IBM 5154 Monitor running MS-DOS 5.00
                    IBM PCJr Model 48360 640kb RAM, NEC V20,, jrIDE Side Cart, 360kb Floppy drives running MS-DOS 5.00
                    Evergreen Am5x86-133 64Mb Ram, 8gb HDD, SB16 in a modified ATX case running IBM PC-DOS 7.10

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by lutiana View Post
                      Although, if he joined the VCGM then he may try to sell a few things there.
                      I tried many times to persaude folks on Craigslist to post on VCGM but a lot of people just seem to think it is too much hassle. Shipping alone seems to much to ask unfortunately.

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                        #56
                        I know, I'm a bigot when it comes to that but am more and more understanding. Even then if it's more than 150 miles from me shipping is cheaper than driving which makes no sense now for saving equipment. Pretty ridiculous when local sales don't save you money vs a cross country sale.
                        Looking to acquire: IBM 5100, Altair 8800

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                          #57
                          I find most craigslist stuff to be more expensive then ebay or online shops like newegg even with shipping, makes me wonder who they are selling to (if at all).
                          The only thing craigslist has going for it is locals who can pick bulky items up.

                          And yes, as stated by others if an item is more then a couple hours away it might as well be in China as far as gas vs shipping goes. The only reason you might want to spend the time and gas is to see what else the seller has he is not listing. Some of my best finds were from going to pick something up and coming home with a bunch of very collectable free stuff the seller was just going to junk as being "worthless" not worth the time to even list. Seems like just talking to somebody in person can yield a ton of items.
                          What I collect: 68K/Early PPC Mac, DOS/Win 3.1 era machines, Amiga/ST, C64/128
                          Nubus/ISA/VLB/MCA/EISA cards of all types
                          Boxed apps and games for the above systems
                          Analog video capture cards/software and complete systems

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by barythrin View Post
                            I know, I'm a bigot when it comes to that but am more and more understanding. Pretty ridiculous when local sales don't save you money vs a cross country sale.
                            Indeed. Unfortunately most vintage equipment is really heavy and cumbersome to ship. So most folks have no interest in packaging, hauling it and stuff. CRTs are even worse since they break so easily and are so hard to package.

                            Originally posted by Unknown_K View Post
                            Seems like just talking to somebody in person can yield a ton of items.
                            Correct. Unfortunately my car is overheating so I cannot drive medium to long distance at this time.

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                              #59
                              wang pc 005 a

                              Does anyone know what value a wang pc 005 A have? What price if it works?

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