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    Xerox 6060

    I have this Xerox 6060 with printer, monitor, software and manuals for sale. Anyone interested? I had it up and running maybe 4 years ago. I powered it up last month while taking pictures and it had a few issues with the floppy drives. I'd tap the side of the box and they'd boot. Maybe something is sticking. Otherwise it was in perfect working condition. Check out the slidshow link. Some of the pictures are blurry though. I'm going to take better ones soon.

    Huh.. your picture gallery requires flash. I've never seen photobucket do that before. :-/


      It all depends on the price. There is one on eBay for circa USD 400: Also: where is WNY? On the border with PA, Great Lakes or Ontario?


        Originally posted by tingo View Post
        Huh.. your picture gallery requires flash. I've never seen photobucket do that before. :-/
        Yeah, that's really weird. No flash here, so can't view the pictures. Man, requiring flash to display photos is a new low. I think the Internet is officially over.



          Originally posted by RetroHacker_ View Post
          Yeah, that's really weird. No flash here, so can't view the pictures. Man, requiring flash to display photos is a new low. I think the Internet is officially over.-Ian
          I just use Flash.


            That's just for a slideshow, just take slideshow out of the url to see the album


              WNY is in Chautauqua county. If anyone is interested, make me an offer. Or email me a zip code and I can quote shipping. I can sell with or without the boat anchor, I mean printer.


                My wife has relatives in Dunkirk, NY not that far from Chautauqua, NY. Unfortunately I do not know when (if ever) we will visit.


                  You think she'd see through the sudden inspiration to be more family friendly?
                  Looking to acquire: IBM 5100, Altair 8800


                    Originally posted by barythrin View Post
                    You think she'd see through the sudden inspiration to be more family friendly?
                    Perhaps. The main issue is that is about a 7 - 9 hour drive. And with gas prices the way they are that is a very expensive proposition. Especially with full size SUVs.


                      If anyone wants this system, I'll let it go for $200.00 plus shipping, $175.00 without the printer.


                        Sorta interesting (yes sorry for the old thread) but the name on ebay caught my eye. There's a Xerox 6060 (case only) on ebay right now which I was curious as I wasn't aware of Xerox's attempt at a PC compatible. What's more interesting (to me) is apparently it's ALSO the Olivetti M24 (same as AT&T 6300).
                        Looking to acquire: IBM 5100, Altair 8800


                          I was going to buy a complete 6060 off of eBay awhile back, only to see it purchased a day before I was ready to buy. I have the official documentation and disks for the system, but the actual computer, especially a complete system, is apparently very rare.

                          And yes, it is pretty much the Olivetti M24, licensed to Xerox


                            @VC, just curious--do you have a mouse with yours that plugs into the keyboard? Daisywheel printer?
                            Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.