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    https://denver.craigslist.org/sys/d/...585319368.html I wanted this a lot cause of the price - $50 - but I decided I don't have the space. It'd end up in a heap not on a shelf or anything. But maybe someone could buy it.

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      Great price, but it was no way, no how, not in your life the first IBM clone. It wasn't even a particularly good clone. Most people know this I guess.

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        yeah the compaq portable is the first official "clone". Even though its not 100% compatible.

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          Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
          yeah the compaq portable is the first official "clone". Even though its not 100% compatible.
          Nope. Columbia MPC-1600. The Compaq was the clone that the court battle was over. And Compaq won.

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            I think VERAULT mean "first official clone" as in "first legal clone", not copying the IBM ROMs like Columbia did.

            But the seller is wrong either way because the Sanyo MBC-55x series is only partially IBM PC compatible, similar to the Tandy 2000, DEC Rainbow, etc.

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              Right, I went on a rant just last night because most Craigslist sellers say their computer is "the first" at something just because it's old. It's kind of annoying but it's how it is.

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                And Steve Jobs. L@@K!!!
                Be polite and I may let you live.

                https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...5NBVfKX5471R9U

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                  Originally posted by vwestlife View Post
                  I think VERAULT mean "first official clone" as in "first legal clone", not copying the IBM ROMs like Columbia did.

                  But the seller is wrong either way because the Sanyo MBC-55x series is only partially IBM PC compatible, similar to the Tandy 2000, DEC Rainbow, etc.
                  All the taiwanese clones strove to copy the ibm in every possible detail, some going as far as to use actual ibm roms. To say that Compaq made the first anything is just misleading. A clone is a clone, although the word gets abused. The Columbia is as official a first clone as anything given the roms are exact copies. I wasn't aware that was the case, but rather their copying didn't use the clean room approach that Compaq demonstrated in court.

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                    Are we posting govt auctions on this thread?

                    In case somebody in VA needs 60 Dell CRTs. https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?f...07&acctid=9102
                    Two Apple Macintosh IIci in Iowa City. https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?f...87&acctid=7484

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                      Originally posted by 2icebitn View Post
                      All the taiwanese clones strove to copy the ibm in every possible detail, some going as far as to use actual ibm roms. To say that Compaq made the first anything is just misleading. A clone is a clone, although the word gets abused. The Columbia is as official a first clone as anything given the roms are exact copies. I wasn't aware that was the case, but rather their copying didn't use the clean room approach that Compaq demonstrated in court.
                      I think were getting off track. We all agree that posting, " the first" or "super very rare" are wrong and unnecessary right?

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                        Originally posted by Caleb Hansberry View Post
                        https://denver.craigslist.org/sys/d/...585319368.html I wanted this a lot cause of the price - $50 - but I decided I don't have the space. It'd end up in a heap not on a shelf or anything. But maybe someone could buy it.
                        Has a very nice feeling keyboard if I recall correctly. I thought it was CP/M though - obviously not. $50 looks like a bargain to me. Shame it's not got the Sanyo monitor!

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                          Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
                          I think were getting off track. We all agree that posting, " the first" or "super very rare" are wrong and unnecessary right?
                          "All the taiwanese clones strove to copy the ibm in every possible detail, some going as far as to use actual ibm roms. To say that Compaq made the first anything is just misleading. A clone is a clone, although the word gets abused. The Columbia is as official a first clone as anything given the roms are exact copies. I wasn't aware that was the case, but rather their copying didn't use the clean room approach that Compaq demonstrated in court."

                          I saw something of the history of the Taiwan clones here in Orange County, CA. In Santa Ana there was a guy who opened a store and was selling 25 dollar boards which were his version of the XT motherboard. One could build it up for about 100 bucks worth of parts. Another guy was selling the roms if you couldn't master your own copy. I think they were in 2732s and were easy to copy, and exact copies of the IBM bios. Extra credit for having it set up to drop into Basic if you had that rom.

                          He ran for about 3 or 4 months before other people showed up with copies. He quietly closed up shop, and every guy in Walnut and Industry from a Taiwanese computer manufacturing family showed up with the basic parts. They already had cases the rest of the lot.

                          The exercise evolved into finding floppy drives, cables, all that crap, but the clone market was off and going as I saw it.

                          Micro 5 had a 286 clean room Bios. I saw Columbia Data Products, and with their 8088 system they had pretty much an XT with the one I had. The big add for them was a rom debugger which you could get into with a control alt sequence of some sort. You could step and dump memory anywhere you liked, and the continue running. Step thru Dos whatever. I never heard of the having a CDP with an exact copy, but won't dispute they tried that.

                          the LNW copy of the TRS 80 kind of sealed the fate of those who claimed that the ROM contents was not copyrightable and protected, and they and Pine computers (all Orange and LA County operations) went away, and AFIK noone tried that and claimed legality after that.

                          The Supercomputer XT copy I mentioned above was never sold with a BIOS, only later were people selling a BIOS. Later interested parties @ Phoenix made sure that there was a bios that would work in them.

                          AFIK the Supercomputer was the earliest do it yourself, then later out local based OC / Taiwan start to the cloning, with no brand names. The generic batch of parts with a peel and stick label with PC somewhere on it.

                          thanks
                          Jim

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                            5 x PCI 486 boards in Chilliwack, BC. Seller claims these will run at 160MHz (40 FSB.) Empty cache sockets so at least you know it's not fake. :P

                            https://abbotsford.craigslist.ca/sop...598271885.html

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                              Originally posted by xjas View Post
                              5 x PCI 486 boards in Chilliwack, BC. Seller claims these will run at 160MHz (40 FSB.) Empty cache sockets so at least you know it's not fake. :P

                              https://abbotsford.craigslist.ca/sop...598271885.html
                              Those boards may have a bad rap, but the two ive owned both have been stable and easy to setup.

                              If i was closer, id snag those boards.
                              It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

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                                Originally posted by luckybob View Post
                                Those boards may have a bad rap, but the two ive owned both have been stable and easy to setup.

                                If i was closer, id snag those boards.
                                But they are very thin, so even with all the standoffs installed, they tend to flex a lot when installing cards -- especially VESA Local Bus cards. I had to prop mine up with an additional support under the slots to get my VLB video card to make proper contact.

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