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FOR SALE: Fastest Socket 7 MB ever made!!!

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    FOR SALE: Fastest Socket 7 MB ever made!!!

    Hello, I don't know if you are aware, but the PA-2013 is the best / fastest Socket 7 motherboard ever made. I have no use for mine anymore so therefore I've decided to sell it for a mere $15 (Paypal). Shipping will be $13. Let me know if your interrested.




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    Last edited by barney; August 12, 2012, 02:44 PM.

    #2
    how much L2 cache is onboard?
    It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

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      #3
      I want to say 512 KB as I had one of these boards before, but from a google search there was also a 2 MB version.

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        #4
        they also came in a 1MB version, which is what I am chasing
        There are 10 types of people in this world:
        those who understand binary and those who don't. ~Author Unknown

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          #5
          Originally posted by Neon_WA View Post
          they also came in a 1MB version, which is what I am chasing
          I believe it has 1mb or 2MB cache. I wish I could give you a for sure answer but I haven't fired it up in over 2 years.

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            #6
            it does matter, at least to me. if its the 2mb version, its worth 3x what your asking. if its not... then your price is reasonable. I only have a spot for a 2mb version to be honest.
            It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

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              #7
              Rev 1.2 should be 1MB
              Rev 2.0 should be 2MB
              but no guarantees
              Last edited by Neon_WA; August 13, 2012, 05:44 PM.
              There are 10 types of people in this world:
              those who understand binary and those who don't. ~Author Unknown

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                #8
                Maybe I'll go ahead and hook it up to see how much cache it has. I'll let everyody know once I find out. Thanks.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by barney View Post
                  Maybe I'll go ahead and hook it up to see how much cache it has. I'll let everyody know once I find out. Thanks.
                  What is the part number on the four chips in an 'L' pattern next to the CPU socket? My guess is that those are the cache chips.

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                    #10
                    According to the PM I got, this board has 4x 512kb chips. (W25P222AF-4A) Also, the board is now $50 because of it.
                    It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

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                      #11
                      Nahh my P5A is faster!
                      Collector of socket 3, 5, 7, and 8 CPU's.
                      I also love Gateway 2000 computers.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by luckybob View Post
                        According to the PM I got, this board has 4x 512kb chips. (W25P222AF-4A) Also, the board is now $50 because of it.
                        I personally consider the value of the 2Mb board lower than the 1Mb or 512k as they used poorer quality cache chips to reduce the cost of the board.
                        The 2Mb is very poor for any overclocking and crashes easily if you start pushing it
                        There are 10 types of people in this world:
                        those who understand binary and those who don't. ~Author Unknown

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                          #13
                          The board is now $10.
                          PM me if you're looking for 3" or 5" floppy disks. EMail For everything else, Take Another Step

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