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For Sale or Trade: PS/2 8580-A31 and 8590-3T1

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    For Sale or Trade: PS/2 8580-A31 and 8590-3T1

    How're ya gonna do it? You're gonna PS/2 it!

    It's time to downsize, and non-core to my hardware collection are these two fine, clean (clean booting and no dirt) PS/2 machines available for USD$400 firm for the lot, pick up only in Westchester County NY. Will consider trades of DEC equipment, high end test equipment, high end 2-channel stereo equipment.

    Read closely and carefully because these are jam packed with neat stuff. These are not your average 50Z !!!

    Hobbyists only! Items below only. Sorry, I have no original IBM monitors!

    Pictures are in this album:

    Send a PM if interested!

    PS/2 8580-A31 (very top end 8580)
    Tower case (no key, light scratch on left side)
    SCSI (320MB HD and CDR w/ one caddy)
    One 1.44MB floppy
    16MB RAM installed (max possible)
    SoundBlaster Pro 2 CT53301
    WD8003 10BaseT/AUI Ethernet
    8514/A Option board, full 1.5MB (
    Model M keyboard and PS/2 mouse
    External SCSI cable (hard to find, works with machine below also)
    Clean POST, battery replaced within last 10 years
    Boots OS/2 2.11, has Win 3.1 and various other apps installed
    Unopened, sealed OS/2 2.11 system software box
    OS/2 plastic thermal mug and OS/2 key fob tchotchkies

    PS/2 8590-3T1 (90XP 486) (3T1 must have been custom?)
    Desktop case (no key)
    SCSI (???MB HD)
    One 1.44MB floppy
    12MB RAM installed (room for more)
    SMC8013 10BaseT/AUI Ethernet
    Model M keyboard and PS/2 mouse
    Clean POST, battery replaced this month
    Boots DOS, has WFW 3.11 and various other apps installed
    PS/2 TV (But, only PIP mode works. Full screen color is off due to bad U15)
    Plus one parts machine 8590-0H9 (no memory, SCSI bad)

    Other Stuff:
    MCA MFM adapter (Yeah!)
    Bag of Token Ring adapters (MCA/ISA/PCI) (Oh.)
    Parts PS/2 Note 8533-G13 laptop w/ modem
    PS/2 50Z power supply
    Some random year 2000 thinkpad docking station 02K8668

    Of course, as-is, where-is, no warranties (it's 25+ years old!!!)

    I know you want to sell the lot but in case that doesn’t happen, I’d pay $200 for that Soundblaster in the model 80 provided you’d ship it
    Looking For: PS/2 Monitor model 8516
    IBM PS/2 Model 80 floppy cable
    IBM PS/2 Model 90 and 95 bezels
    IBM PS/2 “Cubrun” P90 Processor Complex
    Ati Mach MCA edition
    Will pay $500-1000 for a Sound Blaster MCV, ChipChat or SoundPiper


      The Sound Blaster Pro 2 would most likely fetch more than $400 at auction, or sold separately at sites like AmiBay.

      I'd love to find one - took me 2 years to find my boxed/complete Sound Blaster MCA back in 2009. Lucked into it, really, especially at the price I paid. MCA sound cards are always prohibitively expensive...
      Currently seeking:
      * Roland MPU-401/AT (with daughter card header)
      * Magitronic K-156 Keyboard (5pin DIN w/ XT-AT switch)
      I also collect PC and C64 Sierra On-Line software!



        I'm glad that the MCA Sound Blaster will make this lot a good value indeed. My price for the lot as listed remains as originally listed. I really want it all to go, and all go to a good home. Call your friend in the metro NYC area to help you (and me) out here.

        If the deal wasn't sweet enough, I'll throw in the big bright beautiful CRT Viewsonic monitor that is in one of the pictures.



          hell of a deal.
          It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.



            We now have two interested parties. One who sent a message earlier and another later. I have sent PMs to both. Thank you all for following this thread. If a deal does not occur, I will post so here.