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    Okay, so private messaging is not likely to work. There are ways around that--how about a separate email server for private messages? Registered users would be given an email address on that server. Limit attachment size and number of messages per user. The alternative Protonmail account for me has worked for most things.
    Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.

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      How about a vcfed bbs???
      Toshiba T1000 w/ modem & memory upgrade
      Compaq Deskpro 4/25iS (Win3.1)
      Apple //e

      wanted: dx2odp66 or similar (169 pin overdrive chip)

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        I’d imagine it can be repaired. Everything seems to point to permissions getting screwed up during the upgrade. The fact that I don’t have permissions to my own PM page, many cannot see contents of certain PM, certain entire sub-forums are missing (the announcements), etc.

        I wonder if there is an option to set all permissions back to default and then go back and add back in all of the moderators, admins, restricted areas, etc permissions.

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          Originally posted by thenzero View Post
          How about a vcfed bbs???
          Yes!
          Surely not everyone was Kung-Fu fighting

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            Originally posted by Chuck(G) View Post
            Okay, so private messaging is not likely to work.
            It will work, it just may take us a bit of time to get it were we want it. All we are asking for right now, is some patience.

            IBM 5160 - 360k, 1.44Mb Floppies, NEC V20, 8087-3, 45MB MFM Hard Drive, Vega 7 Graphics, IBM 5154 Monitor running MS-DOS 5.00
            IBM PCJr Model 48360 640kb RAM, NEC V20,, jrIDE Side Cart, 360kb Floppy drives running MS-DOS 5.00
            Evergreen Am5x86-133 64Mb Ram, 8gb HDD, SB16 in a modified ATX case running IBM PC-DOS 7.10

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              Originally posted by lutiana View Post

              It will work, it just may take us a bit of time to get it were we want it. All we are asking for right now, is some patience.
              I for one really appreciate your candor and demeanor on this, I hope that it is reciprocated by everyone who is frustrated with the update right now.
              Toshiba T1000 w/ modem & memory upgrade
              Compaq Deskpro 4/25iS (Win3.1)
              Apple //e

              wanted: dx2odp66 or similar (169 pin overdrive chip)

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                Please take a look at, and subscribe to this topic: https://www.vcfed.org/forum/forum/ad...y-arrive-blank

                Updates to this issue will be posted there, also if we need to solicit for any information about the issue it will be posted there.

                IBM 5160 - 360k, 1.44Mb Floppies, NEC V20, 8087-3, 45MB MFM Hard Drive, Vega 7 Graphics, IBM 5154 Monitor running MS-DOS 5.00
                IBM PCJr Model 48360 640kb RAM, NEC V20,, jrIDE Side Cart, 360kb Floppy drives running MS-DOS 5.00
                Evergreen Am5x86-133 64Mb Ram, 8gb HDD, SB16 in a modified ATX case running IBM PC-DOS 7.10

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                  Originally posted by lutiana View Post
                  Updates to this issue will be posted there, also if we need to solicit for any information about the issue it will be posted there.
                  Right, so instead of actually fixing a problem that has been high priority for four months you are telling us to follow a locked thread which is a canned response.
                  No, you can tell us in here. There's a severe confidence issue right now.
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                    Originally posted by NeXT View Post

                    Right, so instead of actually fixing a problem that has been high priority for four months you are telling us to follow a locked thread which is a canned response.
                    No, you can tell us in here. There's a severe confidence issue right now.
                    The idea behind the announcement thread is that we can keep it as an outgoing info thread on the issue. It will be the best place to get any "behind the curtain" details about the issue. It is a way that we can remain both accountable and transparent to your with issues like this.

                    And yes, there is a severe confidence issue here right now, I get that, and I am working hard to put systems in place to resolve that. There will need to be some give and take from both sides to get back to where we all want to be on here.

                    I will not be posting detailed updates in this thread, but I will be on the look out for specifics that can help us fix this issue, and will ask follow up questions here if needed.
                    Last edited by lutiana; August 4, 2021, 10:06 PM.

                    IBM 5160 - 360k, 1.44Mb Floppies, NEC V20, 8087-3, 45MB MFM Hard Drive, Vega 7 Graphics, IBM 5154 Monitor running MS-DOS 5.00
                    IBM PCJr Model 48360 640kb RAM, NEC V20,, jrIDE Side Cart, 360kb Floppy drives running MS-DOS 5.00
                    Evergreen Am5x86-133 64Mb Ram, 8gb HDD, SB16 in a modified ATX case running IBM PC-DOS 7.10

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                      Whatever's been done seems to have made matters worse. Now, I'm getting email notifications with no messages showing up on my VCF mailbox.
                      So I'll reiterate: If you're trying to reach me, please send email to vcfblackhole (at) protonmail.com. (vol.2, this includes your message that I didn't get!)
                      Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.

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                        Not PM related but threads I subscribe to are not showing me notifications of when a new entry is made. Not all my subscriptions just some. I unsubscribe and resubscribe but it does not change things.

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                          I'll add to that one--the summary page (from a "new topic" search) doesn't always show the person who made the last reply, even hours later. Perhaps related is that if I post a reply and then, after leaving the page, then thinking a bit, want to add to the post, I can't find any mention of the post on my "profile" page. It can get to be something of a chore to locate one's last reply to a topic.
                          Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.

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                            We will be working on the PM and email system, next week. Hopefully we can get to the bottom of some of these very frustrating issues.

                            - Alex

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                              @Chuck(G): I'd noticed ever since we, ahem, upgraded, that it can take up to 12 hours before an updated topic gets into the new posts list. Sometimes it's a lot faster but it isn't instantaneous.

                              Perhaps some of these things run on background scheduled tasks? But then again, what would I know.

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                                Yeah, I know. Black boxes. The old forum displayed things promptly, which is adding to the confusion. I note also that the PM system here is less like an email setup and more like a chat room. Or so it seems to me.
                                Reach me: vcfblackhole _at_ protonmail dot com.

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