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Please fix the PM system

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    #16
    Please try the PM system. I have made a change to the forum configuration that was suggested by the vBulletin authors.

    Let me know what problems you encounter.

    Thanks!
    - Alex

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      #17
      If you mean "Did the null content of past messages suddenly reappear?", then no. I don't know if I can convince the original posters to send a message again, now that we're using direct email.

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        #18
        Yeah I've had a few folks ping me thru the contact form on my site due to their PMs never reaching me. All parties involved have been members for years. Not sure if it's still happening because we have also moved off-forums for messages.
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          #19
          I’m not expecting missing messages to reappear, but I am hoping that we may stop blocking new ones. I’ll send some to the folks who have posted here, though that doesn’t prove the case, unfortunately.

          - Alex

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            #20
            Yeah I can attest to that. I had to reach out to glitch from outside websites since he was not getting any of my PM's

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              #21
              Originally posted by ajacocks View Post
              Please try the PM system. I have made a change to the forum configuration that was suggested by the vBulletin authors.
              Let me know what problems you encounter.
              Thanks!
              - Alex
              I received a PM (a reply PM) about 8 hours ago from a 'new' member (8 posts). The PM is blank.

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                #22
                Originally posted by modem7 View Post
                I received a PM (a reply PM) about 8 hours ago from a 'new' member (8 posts). The PM is blank.
                I had the same problem right after the upgrade. Also a new member . all his messages came blank.. All my messages to him were blank. I thought i was being spammed till he had the idea of sending an image of his text... Sounds like your seeing the issue as well.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
                  I had the same problem right after the upgrade. Also a new member . all his messages came blank.. All my messages to him were blank. I thought i was being spammed till he had the idea of sending an image of his text... Sounds like your seeing the issue as well.
                  At post #16 (a few days ago), administrator ajacocks made a change to the vBulletin configuration that may have fixed the PM problem. My post #21 informs ajacocks that the 'blank/empty' PM problem still exists.

                  Originally posted by modem7 View Post
                  I received a PM (a reply PM) about 8 hours ago from a 'new' member (8 posts). The PM is blank.
                  Further to that. 10 hours ago, I used the 'Compose New' button to send a test PM to the subject member. He got that okay, and 2 hours ago, he sent me back a test PM via the 'Compose New' button (i.e. not a reply to my PM). His PM is not blank.

                  Perhaps the problem scope is: PM replies to and from 'new' members.

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                    #24
                    Could very well be. But I sent a PM to Glitch and he didn't get the messages and neither of us are new members.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by modem7 View Post
                      ... and 2 hours ago, he sent me back a test PM via the 'Compose New' button (i.e. not a reply to my PM). His PM is not blank.
                      Hmm. The subject PM had content yesterday, but today, is empty.

                      (Is the PM content now hidden from my view, or did something empty it at the database level?)

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                        #26
                        So far, we aren’t sure what is going on with the PM system. Any information that you share might help, as we are still investigating.

                        Thanks!
                        - Alex

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by ajacocks View Post
                          So far, we aren’t sure what is going on with the PM system. Any information that you share might help, as we are still investigating.
                          This morning, all of the PM's from the 'new' member are now empty. Some of those PM's are 'Compose New' and some replies. To me, it's almost as if, every XX hours, there is a background process doing something. Perhaps a manually run script.

                          PM's from two 'old' members are unaffected (well, so far). The earliest of those is dated 22MAY.

                          Feel free to look at my PM's (which I expect that you can do at the database level). There is nothing sensitive in them. There are not many PM's present bacause I decided to delete all of my PM's at the time of the recent vBulletin upgrade. The 'new' member that I write of is Blazer. The two 'old' members are liqmat and vwestlife.

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                            #28
                            So does anyone have any news on this issue?

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                              #29
                              It seems the problem is perceived as a "non-issue" and then again, all of the mods may be on summer vacation.
                              Last edited by Agent Orange; June 7, 2021, 01:32 PM.
                              Surely not everyone was Kung-Fu fighting

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                                #30
                                Restoring from a backup to the original Forum software prior to the upgrade seems like a good idea. And here is why... That is how we did major platform upgrades in the hospital settings I worked in. We would install the upgraded system onto a "TEST" platform/server with a copy of the database (doesn't have to be complete.. an old copy, or a partial copy works fine). Give a bunch of random senior members access to the test system and have them test basic features. There will be bugs, there always are. Once they are ironed out, do a system wide upgrade on the active database. You never do a major upgrade on a live system without a test environment and actual testers whom are no involved in the background upgrade itself (users).
                                Last edited by VERAULT; June 8, 2021, 08:08 AM.

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