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This forum is part of our mission to promote the preservation of vintage computers through education and outreach. (In real life we also run events and have a museum.) We encourage you to join us, participate, share your knowledge, and enjoy.

This forum has been around in this format for over 15 years. These rules and guidelines help us maintain a healthy and active community, and we moderate the forum to keep things on track. Please familiarize yourself with these rules and guidelines.


Remain civil and respectful

There are several hundred people who actively participate here. People come from all different backgrounds and will have different ways of seeing things. You will not agree with everything you read here. Back-and-forth discussions are fine but do not cross the line into rude or disrespectful behavior.

Conduct yourself as you would at any other place where people come together in person to discuss their hobby. If you wouldn't say something to somebody in person, then you probably should not be writing it here.

This should be obvious but, just in case: profanity, threats, slurs against any group (sexual, racial, gender, etc.) will not be tolerated.


Stay close to the original topic being discussed
  • If you are starting a new thread choose a reasonable sub-forum to start your thread. (If you choose incorrectly don't worry, we can fix that.)
  • If you are responding to a thread, stay on topic - the original poster was trying to achieve something. You can always start a new thread instead of potentially "hijacking" an existing thread.



Contribute something meaningful

To put things in engineering terms, we value a high signal to noise ratio. Coming here should not be a waste of time.
  • This is not a chat room. If you are taking less than 30 seconds to make a post then you are probably doing something wrong. A post should be on topic, clear, and contribute something meaningful to the discussion. If people read your posts and feel that their time as been wasted, they will stop reading your posts. Worse yet, they will stop visiting and we'll lose their experience and contributions.
  • Do not bump threads.
  • Do not "necro-post" unless you are following up to a specific person on a specific thread. And even then, that person may have moved on. Just start a new thread for your related topic.
  • Use the Private Message system for posts that are targeted at a specific person.


"PM Sent!" messages (or, how to use the Private Message system)

This forum has a private message feature that we want people to use for messages that are not of general interest to other members.

In short, if you are going to reply to a thread and that reply is targeted to a specific individual and not of interest to anybody else (either now or in the future) then send a private message instead.

Here are some obvious examples of when you should not reply to a thread and use the PM system instead:
  • "PM Sent!": Do not tell the rest of us that you sent a PM ... the forum software will tell the other person that they have a PM waiting.
  • "How much is shipping to ....": This is a very specific and directed question that is not of interest to anybody else.


Why do we have this policy? Sending a "PM Sent!" type message basically wastes everybody else's time by making them having to scroll past a post in a thread that looks to be updated, when the update is not meaningful. And the person you are sending the PM to will be notified by the forum software that they have a message waiting for them. Look up at the top near the right edge where it says 'Notifications' ... if you have a PM waiting, it will tell you there.

Copyright and other legal issues

We are here to discuss vintage computing, so discussing software, books, and other intellectual property that is on-topic is fine. We don't want people using these forums to discuss or enable copyright violations or other things that are against the law; whether you agree with the law or not is irrelevant. Do not use our resources for something that is legally or morally questionable.

Our discussions here generally fall under "fair use." Telling people how to pirate a software title is an example of something that is not allowable here.


Reporting problematic posts

If you see spam, a wildly off-topic post, or something abusive or illegal please report the thread by clicking on the "Report Post" icon. (It looks like an exclamation point in a triangle and it is available under every post.) This send a notification to all of the moderators, so somebody will see it and deal with it.

If you are unsure you may consider sending a private message to a moderator instead.


New user moderation

New users are directly moderated so that we can weed spammers out early. This means that for your first 10 posts you will have some delay before they are seen. We understand this can be disruptive to the flow of conversation and we try to keep up with our new user moderation duties to avoid undue inconvenience. Please do not make duplicate posts, extra posts to bump your post count, or ask the moderators to expedite this process; 10 moderated posts will go by quickly.

New users also have a smaller personal message inbox limit and are rate limited when sending PMs to other users.


Other suggestions
  • Use Google, books, or other definitive sources. There is a lot of information out there.
  • Don't make people guess at what you are trying to say; we are not mind readers. Be clear and concise.
  • Spelling and grammar are not rated, but they do make a post easier to read.
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  • thenzero
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    Originally posted by mbbrutman View Post

    Because we're all volunteers and maybe somebody would like to help us by throwing some time into fixing a problem for us instead of endlessly bitching about it?

    If you were paying for this service I'd understand not wanting to lift a finger to make it work better ...
    Again…that is completely nonsensical. We don’t have access to your code or the details of your configuration or your logs or…

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  • mbbrutman
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    Originally posted by thenzero View Post

    It’s bizarre to me that this is your answer to everything. Why would the users of a forum be expected to supply the providers of the forum with forum code? That is completely nonsensical to me.
    Because we're all volunteers and maybe somebody would like to help us by throwing some time into fixing a problem for us instead of endlessly bitching about it?

    If you were paying for this service I'd understand not wanting to lift a finger to make it work better ...

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  • tradde
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    Originally posted by thenzero View Post

    It’s bizarre to me that this is your answer to everything. Why would the users of a forum be expected to supply the providers of the forum with forum code? That is completely nonsensical to me.
    I have to agree. Wouldn't this require some knowledge of vBulletin and the inner workings of this forum? VB scripting ain't hard but you'd have to have an idea of what the problem is.

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  • thenzero
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    Originally posted by ajacocks View Post

    Unfortunately, this isn’t possible in VB5, without a custom template. If anyone wants to take a crack at adding it to a template, we’re open to a submission.

    - Alex
    It’s bizarre to me that this is your answer to everything. Why would the users of a forum be expected to supply the providers of the forum with forum code? That is completely nonsensical to me.

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  • mbbrutman
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    Originally posted by Timo W. View Post
    Are you saying no one responsible for the forum is able to add some HTML to the template?
    I'm sure people have the technical skills. Time might be an issue. And not wanting to make something worse is a big consideration too - if something breaks then the person who broke it gets to fix it.

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  • Timo W.
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    Are you saying no one responsible for the forum is able to add some HTML to the template?

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  • ajacocks
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    Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
    Can we please put member locations back below thier avatars? I assumed this would have been done by now.. People keep posting messages dependant on thier location and its not obvious. Do not tell me to click on thier profile that defeats the purpose of having thier location obvious.
    Unfortunately, this isn’t possible in VB5, without a custom template. If anyone wants to take a crack at adding it to a template, we’re open to a submission.

    - Alex

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  • Agent Orange
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    Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
    Its got electrolytes.... Its not from the toilet.
    Haven't seen it around lately. What ever happened to Jolt?

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  • VERAULT
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    So me and my wife are on vacation in the pacific northwest.. Apparenly weed is completely legal here... We hsve passed by plenty of people smoking right next to small children.. We are doomed as a country.. And probably a species... 8m moving to central europe... Seems everyone here is a "Pilot".

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  • VERAULT
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    Its got electrolytes.... Its not from the toilet.

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  • tradde
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    I refuse to use any of those services. As to Brawndo it's what plants crave.

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  • SomeGuy
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    It's our punishment for not using glorious smartphones and moving to Twitter(R)(TM)/Facebook(R)(TM) like a bunch of teenage girls.

    We are just supposed to just be good little cows and put up with it. Sit back as people forget how to use technology, the government implodes, buildings collapse, grab a Brawndo and watch the latest episode of Ow My Balls surrounded by seizure inducing advertisements.

    I'd bet that the admins have talked to whoever supports the software and it went something like this "Uh, huhu, yea, we like, fired all the developers. They weren't doing anything productive anyway, yea, I'm from marketing and we run things now. We do productive things like insert Twitter and Facebook advertisements. That makes us money. We like money. Your users are using computers? What's a computer? Firefox? Is that like a Google? Changes? We don't know how to do that. Does that make us money? Oh, hey, Ow My Balls! is on."

    I suppose it could have been worse. They could have moved everything to Microsoft Sharepoint.

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  • tradde
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    Originally posted by Timo W. View Post
    Same with simply putting the "Mark Channels Read" link into the top bar next to "New Topics". Quick change with a huge impact on usability, but... nothing.
    I'd like this too. It's stupid to be at the bottom so I have to scroll all the way down to click this button.

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  • Timo W.
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    I asked for that two times already as well, no one cares. If not even a 2-minute change is done that many people cry for, I doubt any of the real problems are ever getting fixed. Really a shame. Same with simply putting the "Mark Channels Read" link into the top bar next to "New Topics". Quick change with a huge impact on usability, but... nothing.

    Someone did the upgrade. That was certainly quite a task and took time. Why is no further time invested to get the forum into a usable state?

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  • Agent Orange
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    Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
    Can we please put member locations back below thier avatars? I assumed this would have been done by now.. People keep posting messages dependant on thier location and its not obvious. Do not tell me to click on thier profile that defeats the purpose of having thier location obvious.
    2nd . . .

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