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Why do we have this policy? Sending a "PM Sent!" type message basically wastes everybody else's time by making them having to scroll past a post in a thread that looks to be updated, when the update is not meaningful. And the person you are sending the PM to will be notified by the forum software that they have a message waiting for them. Look up at the top near the right edge where it says 'Notifications' ... if you have a PM waiting, it will tell you there.

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    #61
    I’ve tried it both ways. I still get that I’m not authorized. When it’s checked, I can see a notifications tab that disappears when it’s unchecked. I can also see the title of like my last 5 messages from the messages tab, so I supposed as long and I’m not very popular in the PM around here, and as long as I never want to read my old message to find or remember something, people can still contact me here.

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      #62
      Originally posted by shirsch View Post
      I have a possible fix for folks who are not receiving messages. This may be just a coincidence, but try going to User Settings --> Account, uncheck the 'Use vB messenger' box under 'Private Messenging' and save changes. I did that on a whim and immediately received my first PM (from VERAULT). I responded to it and if Mssr. VERAULT could try this setting change he might receive it. Worth a shot, anyway.

      I've since received one additional PM, so something has definitely changed for the better.
      I replied to your PM (Which I could read just fine) 4 hours ago. I take it you didn't get my reply? Thats weird considering Im the one who sent you the first message. Let me try the change you mentioned and reply again in a moment.

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        #63
        Originally posted by shirsch View Post
        I have a possible fix for folks who are not receiving messages. This may be just a coincidence, but try going to User Settings --> Account, uncheck the 'Use vB messenger' box under 'Private Messenging' and save changes. I did that on a whim and immediately received my first PM (from VERAULT). I responded to it and if Mssr. VERAULT could try this setting change he might receive it. Worth a shot, anyway.
        Holy redundancy, batman.

        So, it looks like that hides that chat-like crap that piggybacks on the PM system, and changes the menu at the top so there is only a link to the message center.

        It also seems to hide that "start chat" icon next to the user name in posts.

        I can't tell by looking at my own post, but I think it changes the "start chat" icon to a "send message" icon for other users who can see the icon.

        Very confusing.

        BTW, I just noticed that the setting to "show sigs" in my profile was disabled. I know that was always an option, but I had previously had that enabled, and sigs seemed to disappear right at the forum update.

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          #64
          Can one of the moderators or admins try the steps here on my account? Basically it's going to my message center and deleting "flagged reports" which is probably something I'm not supposed to have access too anyway. Makes sense that if there are some of those there, it would give me that message.

          https://forum.vbulletin.com/forum/vb...-notifications

          Or something similar, but more complicated here that could cause it. I was never a moderator so it probably doesn't apply, but maybe something got weird during the upgrade which corrupted something.

          https://forum.vbulletin.com/forum/vb...avigation-menu
          Last edited by jafir; June 12, 2021, 04:35 PM.

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            #65
            Well, that was a short honeymoon. I am able to PM back and forth with at least two individuals, but a third person with whom I'm working out a purchase is not going so well. After one round, their messages are all appearing with no body text. Honestly, this is a terrible situation.

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              #66
              Originally posted by shirsch View Post
              Well, that was a short honeymoon. I am able to PM back and forth with at least two individuals, but a third person with whom I'm working out a purchase is not going so well. After one round, their messages are all appearing with no body text. Honestly, this is a terrible situation.
              are they a new member?

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                #67
                Originally posted by VERAULT View Post

                are they a new member?
                Yes - joined April 13, 2021.

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                  #68
                  Yeah thats like I mentioned. There is something wrong when an older user talks to a new user. The messages come in with no text. I posted something around the time of the upgrade about a new user spamming me. I didn't realize we both were getting blank responses till he sent me a screenshot.. It was the only way we could communicate. We couldn't send text but we could send files. Seems that problem is still unresolved completely.

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                    #69
                    I’ve asked for more help with this on vbulletin.org. Hopefully we will be able to get some assistance there.

                    - Alex

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                      #70
                      I know this isn't realty the place to ask, but since a lot of the older forum members are chiming in on these types of posts I thought I would ask. What happened to KC9UDX? He hasn't posted since early 2020. He was a regular, then vanished. Was he not well?

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
                        I know this isn't realty the place to ask, but since a lot of the older forum members are chiming in on these types of posts I thought I would ask. What happened to KC9UDX? He hasn't posted since early 2020. He was a regular, then vanished. Was he not well?
                        It looks like he's been active over on YouTube lately: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuu...Pyjrk4duSbe9lw

                        Surely not everyone was Kung-Fu fighting
                        SE Michigan

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                          #72
                          Can the text input box in the PM window please be fixed? It's like four lines tall and will vertically collapse smaller and smaller if you delete lines and type again, until the point it's a thin sliver where you can barely read one line. There's no way to resize it.

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                            #73
                            So is there any word on progress addressing ALL the issues of the Forum? From where I am sitting it seems nothing has changed. IF fixes or progress aren't mentioned it seems to me nothing has gotten done. The forum just feels Stagnant these days..

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                              #74
                              It has been working for me for a few weeks now. It suddenly started working after a flurry of activity.

                              I still haven't worked out how to do a few things I could do before yet though.

                              Dave
                              UK - Worcester.

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                                #75
                                I vote we nuke it from orbit. Set the whole thing read only. Install a new forum from scratch.

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