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This forum is part of our mission to promote the preservation of vintage computers through education and outreach. (In real life we also run events and have a museum.) We encourage you to join us, participate, share your knowledge, and enjoy.

This forum has been around in this format for over 15 years. These rules and guidelines help us maintain a healthy and active community, and we moderate the forum to keep things on track. Please familiarize yourself with these rules and guidelines.


Remain civil and respectful

There are several hundred people who actively participate here. People come from all different backgrounds and will have different ways of seeing things. You will not agree with everything you read here. Back-and-forth discussions are fine but do not cross the line into rude or disrespectful behavior.

Conduct yourself as you would at any other place where people come together in person to discuss their hobby. If you wouldn't say something to somebody in person, then you probably should not be writing it here.

This should be obvious but, just in case: profanity, threats, slurs against any group (sexual, racial, gender, etc.) will not be tolerated.


Stay close to the original topic being discussed
  • If you are starting a new thread choose a reasonable sub-forum to start your thread. (If you choose incorrectly don't worry, we can fix that.)
  • If you are responding to a thread, stay on topic - the original poster was trying to achieve something. You can always start a new thread instead of potentially "hijacking" an existing thread.



Contribute something meaningful

To put things in engineering terms, we value a high signal to noise ratio. Coming here should not be a waste of time.
  • This is not a chat room. If you are taking less than 30 seconds to make a post then you are probably doing something wrong. A post should be on topic, clear, and contribute something meaningful to the discussion. If people read your posts and feel that their time as been wasted, they will stop reading your posts. Worse yet, they will stop visiting and we'll lose their experience and contributions.
  • Do not bump threads.
  • Do not "necro-post" unless you are following up to a specific person on a specific thread. And even then, that person may have moved on. Just start a new thread for your related topic.
  • Use the Private Message system for posts that are targeted at a specific person.


"PM Sent!" messages (or, how to use the Private Message system)

This forum has a private message feature that we want people to use for messages that are not of general interest to other members.

In short, if you are going to reply to a thread and that reply is targeted to a specific individual and not of interest to anybody else (either now or in the future) then send a private message instead.

Here are some obvious examples of when you should not reply to a thread and use the PM system instead:
  • "PM Sent!": Do not tell the rest of us that you sent a PM ... the forum software will tell the other person that they have a PM waiting.
  • "How much is shipping to ....": This is a very specific and directed question that is not of interest to anybody else.


Why do we have this policy? Sending a "PM Sent!" type message basically wastes everybody else's time by making them having to scroll past a post in a thread that looks to be updated, when the update is not meaningful. And the person you are sending the PM to will be notified by the forum software that they have a message waiting for them. Look up at the top near the right edge where it says 'Notifications' ... if you have a PM waiting, it will tell you there.

Copyright and other legal issues

We are here to discuss vintage computing, so discussing software, books, and other intellectual property that is on-topic is fine. We don't want people using these forums to discuss or enable copyright violations or other things that are against the law; whether you agree with the law or not is irrelevant. Do not use our resources for something that is legally or morally questionable.

Our discussions here generally fall under "fair use." Telling people how to pirate a software title is an example of something that is not allowable here.


Reporting problematic posts

If you see spam, a wildly off-topic post, or something abusive or illegal please report the thread by clicking on the "Report Post" icon. (It looks like an exclamation point in a triangle and it is available under every post.) This send a notification to all of the moderators, so somebody will see it and deal with it.

If you are unsure you may consider sending a private message to a moderator instead.


New user moderation

New users are directly moderated so that we can weed spammers out early. This means that for your first 10 posts you will have some delay before they are seen. We understand this can be disruptive to the flow of conversation and we try to keep up with our new user moderation duties to avoid undue inconvenience. Please do not make duplicate posts, extra posts to bump your post count, or ask the moderators to expedite this process; 10 moderated posts will go by quickly.

New users also have a smaller personal message inbox limit and are rate limited when sending PMs to other users.


Other suggestions
  • Use Google, books, or other definitive sources. There is a lot of information out there.
  • Don't make people guess at what you are trying to say; we are not mind readers. Be clear and concise.
  • Spelling and grammar are not rated, but they do make a post easier to read.
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  • VERAULT
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    Can we please put member locations back below thier avatars? I assumed this would have been done by now.. People keep posting messages dependant on thier location and its not obvious. Do not tell me to click on thier profile that defeats the purpose of having thier location obvious.

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  • GiGaBiTe
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    Originally posted by Robbbert View Post
    Not sure if you'd want IPB these days, not since they completely removed BBcode support, and it's full of the same Javascript that you're all complaining about. And I heard it's expensive.
    IPB is the least expensive if you just want the basic forum software. It's $200 with support and upgrades being an additional $50 a year.

    Xenforo is $160 for one year, with the option to purchase an additional year of support at $55, then you have to pay the full $160 again.

    vBulletin is the most expensive at $250 with $210 upgrades.

    IPB and Xenfofo do nickel and dime you to death for extra features though.

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  • VERAULT
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    I got my first handwritten letter in years a couple months back.. So that was nice....

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  • CP/M User
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    Nobody sends me a PM anymore! ;(

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  • Robbbert
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    Not sure if you'd want IPB these days, not since they completely removed BBcode support, and it's full of the same Javascript that you're all complaining about. And I heard it's expensive.

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  • GiGaBiTe
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    Originally posted by vwestlife View Post
    They use XenForo, which all of the other previously vBulletin-based forums I belong to switched to rather than upgrade to this new, troublesome vBulletin version.
    vBulletin has always been a dumpster fire, even free forum softwares like phpbb are so much better. I've always been partial to Invision Power Board myself though.

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  • ajacocks
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    We’re still working on dealing with the PM issues. There are other discussions ongoing, as well.

    If anyone finds any suggestions for the PM issue, please share them, as we haven’t hit on the solution, yet.

    Thanks!
    - Alex

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  • Chuck(G)
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    Regarding funding: Remember that if you checkout an Amazon purchase using smile.amazon.com, a certain amount of the proceeds can go to your designated nonprofit. VCF is definitely on that list.

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  • konc
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    Originally posted by vwestlife View Post
    They use XenForo, which all of the other previously vBulletin-based forums I belong to switched to rather than upgrade to this new, troublesome vBulletin version.
    This is true, many forums did switch to XenForo after not been able to deal with the vBulletin upgrades and mess.

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  • vwestlife
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    Originally posted by Agent Orange View Post
    Well then how about this one? Seems to be bullet proof: https://www.overclock.net/forums/

    P.S. I'd be willing to chip-in on that one.
    They use XenForo, which all of the other previously vBulletin-based forums I belong to switched to rather than upgrade to this new, troublesome vBulletin version.

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  • Agent Orange
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    Originally posted by Chuck(G) View Post
    My guess on that one is that the compatibility with the old version is one-way. You can't go home again.
    Well then how about this one? Seems to be bullet proof: https://www.overclock.net/forums/

    P.S. I'd be willing to chip-in on that one.

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  • Chuck(G)
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    My guess on that one is that the compatibility with the old version is one-way. You can't go home again.

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  • Agent Orange
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    My take is that they bought into a lemon and no one, including the distributor, has the wherewithal to fix it. Why not revert back to the old board until such a time that this thing is ready for prime time?

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  • SomeGuy
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    Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
    Agreed, I am ALWAYS having to enter a post then scroll to the bottom, then hit the last tab. its Completely stupid. And I have yet to see this fast forward button you guys have mentioned.
    It is not obvious and is so small it is hard to see what it is.

    fastforward.png

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  • tradde
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    Well for me from the main page if a forum shows new messages I can click the message name on the right and it will take me to the last post. Or if I am in the forum page there is a little double arrow icon I can click (also on the right side) that also takes me to the last message. The first is only good if there is one new message though.

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