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Remain civil and respectful

There are several hundred people who actively participate here. People come from all different backgrounds and will have different ways of seeing things. You will not agree with everything you read here. Back-and-forth discussions are fine but do not cross the line into rude or disrespectful behavior.

Conduct yourself as you would at any other place where people come together in person to discuss their hobby. If you wouldn't say something to somebody in person, then you probably should not be writing it here.

This should be obvious but, just in case: profanity, threats, slurs against any group (sexual, racial, gender, etc.) will not be tolerated.


Stay close to the original topic being discussed
  • If you are starting a new thread choose a reasonable sub-forum to start your thread. (If you choose incorrectly don't worry, we can fix that.)
  • If you are responding to a thread, stay on topic - the original poster was trying to achieve something. You can always start a new thread instead of potentially "hijacking" an existing thread.



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To put things in engineering terms, we value a high signal to noise ratio. Coming here should not be a waste of time.
  • This is not a chat room. If you are taking less than 30 seconds to make a post then you are probably doing something wrong. A post should be on topic, clear, and contribute something meaningful to the discussion. If people read your posts and feel that their time as been wasted, they will stop reading your posts. Worse yet, they will stop visiting and we'll lose their experience and contributions.
  • Do not bump threads.
  • Do not "necro-post" unless you are following up to a specific person on a specific thread. And even then, that person may have moved on. Just start a new thread for your related topic.
  • Use the Private Message system for posts that are targeted at a specific person.


"PM Sent!" messages (or, how to use the Private Message system)

This forum has a private message feature that we want people to use for messages that are not of general interest to other members.

In short, if you are going to reply to a thread and that reply is targeted to a specific individual and not of interest to anybody else (either now or in the future) then send a private message instead.

Here are some obvious examples of when you should not reply to a thread and use the PM system instead:
  • "PM Sent!": Do not tell the rest of us that you sent a PM ... the forum software will tell the other person that they have a PM waiting.
  • "How much is shipping to ....": This is a very specific and directed question that is not of interest to anybody else.


Why do we have this policy? Sending a "PM Sent!" type message basically wastes everybody else's time by making them having to scroll past a post in a thread that looks to be updated, when the update is not meaningful. And the person you are sending the PM to will be notified by the forum software that they have a message waiting for them. Look up at the top near the right edge where it says 'Notifications' ... if you have a PM waiting, it will tell you there.

Copyright and other legal issues

We are here to discuss vintage computing, so discussing software, books, and other intellectual property that is on-topic is fine. We don't want people using these forums to discuss or enable copyright violations or other things that are against the law; whether you agree with the law or not is irrelevant. Do not use our resources for something that is legally or morally questionable.

Our discussions here generally fall under "fair use." Telling people how to pirate a software title is an example of something that is not allowable here.


Reporting problematic posts

If you see spam, a wildly off-topic post, or something abusive or illegal please report the thread by clicking on the "Report Post" icon. (It looks like an exclamation point in a triangle and it is available under every post.) This send a notification to all of the moderators, so somebody will see it and deal with it.

If you are unsure you may consider sending a private message to a moderator instead.


New user moderation

New users are directly moderated so that we can weed spammers out early. This means that for your first 10 posts you will have some delay before they are seen. We understand this can be disruptive to the flow of conversation and we try to keep up with our new user moderation duties to avoid undue inconvenience. Please do not make duplicate posts, extra posts to bump your post count, or ask the moderators to expedite this process; 10 moderated posts will go by quickly.

New users also have a smaller personal message inbox limit and are rate limited when sending PMs to other users.


Other suggestions
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  • Don't make people guess at what you are trying to say; we are not mind readers. Be clear and concise.
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  • thenzero
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    Originally posted by SomeGuy View Post
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    Either way, pucking fathetic.

    I rate this forum software "two flushes down".
    Hahaha

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  • SomeGuy
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    What the mother sexting hell?! Earlier I opened my message center and, without explanation, was able to see the entire message. It was actually a rather long message too. Stupidly I closed my browser, stepped away, and tried to open it now to reply, and it is back to not showing any content.

    That behavior suggests some kind of resource issue or perhaps uninitialized variable resulting in random behavior.

    Either way, pucking fathetic.

    I rate this forum software "two flushes down".

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  • Chuck(G)
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    In my experience, it doesn't have to be a new user; just someone who has been relatively inactive in posting. For example, I was getting blank messages from a user registered in 2015. I just don't trust the PM system here.

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  • thenzero
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    Originally posted by SomeGuy View Post
    Is this issue only happening with new users? (users with less than 10 posts that have to get post approval) If so, then it smells like a badly borked anti-spam feature. And is this happening with all similar new users or just some?
    Going just from my own experience, only the message from the very new user was blank. Agreed about the anti-spam; they should just not be able to send private messages at all.

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  • SomeGuy
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    Is this issue only happening with new users? (users with less than 10 posts that have to get post approval) If so, then it smells like a badly borked anti-spam feature. And is this happening with all similar new users or just some?

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  • mbbrutman
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    Originally posted by Agent Orange View Post

    It was not my intention to demean your position.
    I didn't take it as demeaning. I normally think of a gatekeeper as something that can block or allow access to things, and that's generally not my role here. (Nor should anybody else be doing that.)

    Moving along ...

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  • Agent Orange
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    Originally posted by mbbrutman View Post

    Agent Orange .. I am a moderator, not a "gatekeeper" in any way.
    It was not my intention to demean your position.

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  • thenzero
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    I got one as well. It was from someone with only one post. I also got the email preview with the content of the message and nothing else particularly out of the ordinary.

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  • SomeGuy
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    Well, I finally got one of those blank PMs.

    In the message center clicking the title normally shows the entire message, but it appears blank.

    Using the browser HTML inspector, I see the DIV where the message text should appear, but there is simply no text data loaded in to the page.

    Since I have it set to send me an email, the email showed me a "preview" of the content. This means the content should be in the database somewhere. Since the message appeared to be short, I believe in this case the email contained the entire message. The only odd thing in the content was a couple of stray and visible "<br />" tags at the end of the first two lines. This is also how it appears in the raw e-mail source.

    Also, the member that PMed me is a new member who does not yet have 10 posts.
    Last edited by SomeGuy; July 17, 2021, 01:58 PM.

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  • mbbrutman
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    Originally posted by Timo W. View Post
    Well, English is a terrible language when it comes to precision. I refered not to you as a person but to you as the people who run the forums, of which you are a part of.
    That makes as much sense as blaming a Red Cross aid worker for failings of the larger organization.

    Your expectations needs to be adjusted or corrected if you think you have the right to hold every volunteer collectively responsible.



    Agent Orange .. I am a moderator, not a "gatekeeper" in any way.

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  • Agent Orange
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    Originally posted by Timo W. View Post
    Well, English is a terrible language when it comes to precision. I refered not to you as a person but to you as the people who run the forums, of which you are a part of.
    Mike is the "Gatekeeper" so to speak. There are other in the background that have actual hands on. Try sending a PM to Erik. I did.

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  • Timo W.
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    Originally posted by mbbrutman View Post
    Actually, no, I'm not responsible.
    Well, English is a terrible language when it comes to precision. I refered not to you as a person but to you as the people who run the forums, of which you are a part of.

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  • thenzero
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    Also, sometimes shouting into the void can be quite therapeutic

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  • thenzero
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    Originally posted by mbbrutman View Post

    Commodorejohn - Thanks.

    Everybody understands the frustration around the upgrade. Moderators were especially hit hard by it:
    • New user permissions were immediately reset to a default allowing all sorts of spam.
    • The spam control mechanism failed miserably in all sorts of ways.
    • The hosting service spam controls were even more hilarious - I personally had my IP address blocked because I was doing a lot of moderation in the first few days trying to combat the spam problem. (Unfortunately we need those controls because spam bots are what are destroying our performance, even now.)
    • All of the forum controls moved around to new and exciting places that we had a hard time finding.
    • Even moderation controls were broken; we had to promote everybody basically to "super moderator" to get back to function that we previously had.
    I think I had a chance to check out the new forum before it went live, but I didn't do anything more than a basic "does it load" type of check. The people who did the migration did far more extensive checks.

    We understand. But you are shouting into the void here - the people who did the upgrade are generally not reading these threads. If you want to provide feedback, emailing them is more direct and might work better.


    Mike
    I have to say I really appreciate this insight into the “rhyming” problems the moderators are also experiencing behind the scenes. Reading this makes it glaringly obvious that the new vbulletin is just the wrong software choice for the forums. I hope whoever is making the decisions on that also comes to the same conclusion.

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  • mbbrutman
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    Originally posted by Timo W. View Post
    <snip>
    It sounds more and more to me that no one has the technical skills to even do simple changes that require little to no knowledge. The makers of vB won't add anything to the template for you, nor will they move links around, or whatever. That's stuff supposed to be done by the admin. This is common and the reason why software like this relies on very-easy-to-understand template systems like Smarty. Everyone can make changes to that when willing to invest a few minutes to learn the basics. But it seems that willingness isn't even there. Over three months have passed already since we got "this" with absolutely no progress at all.
    By the way, guilty as charged. I have the technical skills and the brain power to learn what needs to be done and fix most things. I'm *not* willing to step into the cesspool that is vBulletin. I'm sure other people have their reasons too, which is why we keep asking for volunteers who want to make the investment.

    I'd rather be polishing up my code that prints JPGs on my 35 year old thermal printer, finishing up my stratum-1 PCjr time server, making mTCP enhancements, etc. Modifying vBulletin templates is not on my short list of fun things to do. I've done enough here.

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