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Should we add section for Pentium IV machines?

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    Should we add section for Pentium IV machines?

    Just recently got ATX supply(from repair) for my x86 machine, and was thinking about this for some time. In fact the 32 bits becomes obsolete(and it is probably hard to buy in supermarket new 32 bit machine, because most switched to 64 bit), and vintage in some way(if not why we have there early Pentium section?). Probably not only me is considering it vintage, as stated SomeGuy "20 years? So much time has passed. Even 2001 computers are considered "vintage" now."

    This would open the VCF for (probably) new members - people that have Pentium IV as they first machine(and not, my first computer was 8 bit Atari 65 XE), which can be interested in other forum sections in future.

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    If you are talking about 64-bit Pentium 4 systems, these are not yet 20 years old (they will in 2024).

    Actually, only the original Willamette is that old. IMO, we don't need a section for these at this point in time.

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      #3
      I think we should add P2 and P3 first. (grouped together since they are so similar, and probably grouped with AMD K6-2 and K6-3 and other similar era systems, maybe even K7 athlon)

      The only problem with that is that since these groups haven't existed previously, there are lots of posts in the "Pentium first generation" forum already, so unless someone with mod access wanted to take on a painstaking task of moving posts to another area, there would be some mis-categorized stuff for ever.

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        #4
        Let's rename "Pentium (First generation)" to "Pentium (1st to 3rd generation)" and all is well for the next few years to come.

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          #5
          Sounds like you are a problem solver! This gets my vote.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Timo W. View Post
            Let's rename "Pentium (First generation)" to "Pentium (1st to 3rd generation)" and all is well for the next few years to come.
            In Poland there is something like "krakowskim targiem" - so why not rename it Pentium(32 bit)? The 32 bit architecture in typical home usage and servers is probably obsolete, and vintage now...

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              #7
              Originally posted by Timo W. View Post
              Let's rename "Pentium (First generation)" to "Pentium (1st to 3rd generation)" and all is well for the next few years to come.
              That's what I was thinking too.
              PDP-8 and PDP-11 enthusiast. But enjoy most older PC stuff too.

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                #8
                Sure I can get behind that change.. but even in 2024 I will not be for adding p4s to a category here..

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                  #9
                  I got a book for Christmas awhile ago called "Crap Cars"; Vega, Aztec, K-car, Pacer, etc. Maybe there should be a "Crap Pentiums" category.

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                    #10
                    Why not just rename it "Pentiums" and let it go at that?
                    Surely not everyone was Kung-Fu fighting

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by resman View Post
                      I got a book for Christmas awhile ago called "Crap Cars"; Vega, Aztec, K-car, Pacer, etc. Maybe there should be a "Crap Pentiums" category.
                      My father had a Vega.. and I know plenty of people who had K cars. And my friends mother had a Cadillac Cimmaron.. Wasnt that a K-car?

                      And why bother with a posting for Pentium 4? The poster will say... " hey my garbage dell is dead" and we will reply with "you can solve your problem by throwing it out" or "get a pentium 2 or 3 that still works"

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                        #12
                        I tend to use the principle that a CPU that can run a currently supported OS is not a vintage system. Since it is possible to run Windows 8.1 and even Windows 10 on a Pentium 4, I think the Pentium 4 has a few years left before it could be considered for a comfortable retirement as a vintage system.

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                          #13
                          Agreed, but there is a lull all machines need to go through before they come out vintage on the other side. I dont think we will be there till the late 2020's when some kid has nostalgia for his first PC which ran a version of windows nowhere near as horrible as whatever incarnation is new then.. So sad.. That poor schmuck...

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
                            And my friends mother had a Cadillac Cimmaron.. Wasnt that a K-car?
                            Not being a Chrysler product it wasn't, but the GM J-Body was pretty much the same thing.

                            By the standards of the time and the moribund state of the US automakers coming out of the 1970's the K-car was actually a "decent" piece of engineering, but that says more about the times than the car.
                            My Retro-computing YouTube Channel (updates... eventually?): Paleozoic PCs Also: Blogspot

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Agent Orange View Post
                              Why not just rename it "Pentiums" and let it go at that?
                              That would be easiest. And satisfy all Pentium versions.
                              PDP-8 and PDP-11 enthusiast. But enjoy most older PC stuff too.

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