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This forum is part of our mission to promote the preservation of vintage computers through education and outreach. (In real life we also run events and have a museum.) We encourage you to join us, participate, share your knowledge, and enjoy.

This forum has been around in this format for over 15 years. These rules and guidelines help us maintain a healthy and active community, and we moderate the forum to keep things on track. Please familiarize yourself with these rules and guidelines.


Rule 1: Remain civil and respectful

There are several hundred people who actively participate here. People come from all different backgrounds and will have different ways of seeing things. You will not agree with everything you read here. Back-and-forth discussions are fine but do not cross the line into rude or disrespectful behavior.

Conduct yourself as you would at any other place where people come together in person to discuss their hobby. If you wouldn't say something to somebody in person, then you probably should not be writing it here.

This should be obvious but, just in case: profanity, threats, slurs against any group (sexual, racial, gender, etc.) will not be tolerated.


Rule 2: Stay close to the original topic being discussed
  • If you are starting a new thread choose a reasonable sub-forum to start your thread. (If you choose incorrectly don't worry, we can fix that.)
  • If you are responding to a thread, stay on topic - the original poster was trying to achieve something. You can always start a new thread instead of potentially "hijacking" an existing thread.



Rule 3: Contribute something meaningful

To put things in engineering terms, we value a high signal to noise ratio. Coming here should not be a waste of time.
  • This is not a chat room. If you are taking less than 30 seconds to make a post then you are probably doing something wrong. A post should be on topic, clear, and contribute something meaningful to the discussion. If people read your posts and feel that their time as been wasted, they will stop reading your posts. Worse yet, they will stop visiting and we'll lose their experience and contributions.
  • Do not bump threads.
  • Do not "necro-post" unless you are following up to a specific person on a specific thread. And even then, that person may have moved on. Just start a new thread for your related topic.
  • Use the Private Message system for posts that are targeted at a specific person.


Rule 4: "PM Sent!" messages (or, how to use the Private Message system)

This forum has a private message feature that we want people to use for messages that are not of general interest to other members.

In short, if you are going to reply to a thread and that reply is targeted to a specific individual and not of interest to anybody else (either now or in the future) then send a private message instead.

Here are some obvious examples of when you should not reply to a thread and use the PM system instead:
  • "PM Sent!": Do not tell the rest of us that you sent a PM ... the forum software will tell the other person that they have a PM waiting.
  • "How much is shipping to ....": This is a very specific and directed question that is not of interest to anybody else.


Why do we have this policy? Sending a "PM Sent!" type message basically wastes everybody else's time by making them having to scroll past a post in a thread that looks to be updated, when the update is not meaningful. And the person you are sending the PM to will be notified by the forum software that they have a message waiting for them. Look up at the top near the right edge where it says 'Notifications' ... if you have a PM waiting, it will tell you there.

Rule 5: Copyright and other legal issues

We are here to discuss vintage computing, so discussing software, books, and other intellectual property that is on-topic is fine. We don't want people using these forums to discuss or enable copyright violations or other things that are against the law; whether you agree with the law or not is irrelevant. Do not use our resources for something that is legally or morally questionable.

Our discussions here generally fall under "fair use." Telling people how to pirate a software title is an example of something that is not allowable here.


Reporting problematic posts

If you see spam, a wildly off-topic post, or something abusive or illegal please report the thread by clicking on the "Report Post" icon. (It looks like an exclamation point in a triangle and it is available under every post.) This send a notification to all of the moderators, so somebody will see it and deal with it.

If you are unsure you may consider sending a private message to a moderator instead.


New user moderation

New users are directly moderated so that we can weed spammers out early. This means that for your first 10 posts you will have some delay before they are seen. We understand this can be disruptive to the flow of conversation and we try to keep up with our new user moderation duties to avoid undue inconvenience. Please do not make duplicate posts, extra posts to bump your post count, or ask the moderators to expedite this process; 10 moderated posts will go by quickly.

New users also have a smaller personal message inbox limit and are rate limited when sending PMs to other users.


Other suggestions
  • Use Google, books, or other definitive sources. There is a lot of information out there.
  • Don't make people guess at what you are trying to say; we are not mind readers. Be clear and concise.
  • Spelling and grammar are not rated, but they do make a post easier to read.
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  • dJOS
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    One thing that isn't working since the issue are my forum activity subscription emails. Everything else is fine tho.

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  • dJOS
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    Thanks Mods, I'm getting notifications via email now too!

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  • EvanK
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    Originally posted by snuci View Post
    I got a notification from this thread so it must be working.
    Great!

    Originally posted by snuci View Post
    Thanks EvanK.
    You're welcome.

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  • snuci
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    Originally posted by EvanK View Post
    Everyone: I believe it's fixed now. Please try sending each other PMs etc. ... I had somebody send me one just now and I got the notification email, took a few minutes but it worked fine.
    I got a notification from this thread so it must be working. Thanks EvanK.

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  • EvanK
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    Everyone: I believe it's fixed now. Please try sending each other PMs etc. ... I had somebody send me one just now and I got the notification email, took a few minutes but it worked fine.

    Our hoster found the problem. They switched us to a different server when the site crashed a couple of weeks ago. But the email settings still had the old server details.

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  • EvanK
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    You made the nutty argument about VCFed is "no longer administered by a caring individual (person) but rather a cold corporation."

    There are six people who lead VCFed: me (as daily operations director) and five board members. The board members (including Erik and Mike) are all volunteers, as are the moderators. To state that we do not "care" is .... just crazy. And to call us "a cold corporation" directly implies that we're some big evil heartless business. You can write "I neither stated nor implied profit" all you like, but that's EXACTLY what you did and any reasonable observer would reach the same conclusion.

    I have a ban button. I'm not afraid to use it.
    Last edited by EvanK; March 2, 2018, 11:33 AM.

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  • Stone
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    Originally posted by EvanK View Post
    A "corporation" in the sense you're implying exists to line the pockets of its owners. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE.

    A charity "corporation" is simply the term used by the IRS to describe an organization where 100% of revenue is put back into the mission. Thus nobody "profits" (aka NON-profit), and so the organization doesn't have to pay taxes, because it exists for the public good. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE.
    I neither stated nor implied profit.

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  • EvanK
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    Originally posted by Stone View Post


    It's not our fault that you do not understand what it means to be a 501(c)(3) non-profit "corporation" under U.S. tax laws.

    I will try to dummy it down for you.

    A "corporation" in the sense you're implying exists to line the pockets of its owners. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE.

    A charity "corporation" is simply the term used by the IRS to describe an organization where 100% of revenue is put back into the mission. Thus nobody "profits" (aka NON-profit), and so the organization doesn't have to pay taxes, because it exists for the public good. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE.

    I.4. Corporate Purpose. The corporation has been organized exclusively for educational purposes within the meaning of Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, including, for such purposes, the making of distribution to organizations that qualify as exempt organizations under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, or corresponding section of any further federal tax code. More specifically, the purposes for which the corporation is organized is: an educational organization dedicated to the collection, preservation, restoration, and education of historic computers, technology, and related material by using these collections for exhibitions, educational programs, historical research, and related activities for the benefit of the public.
    Last edited by EvanK; March 2, 2018, 10:51 AM.

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  • Stone
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    Originally posted by mbbrutman View Post
    Thanks Stone. That is inaccurate and shows you are an idiot. We are not a corporation - we are a charity. And we run entirely on volunteer effort.
    http://vcfed.org/wp/about/bylaws/

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  • EvanK
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    Support ticket opened.

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  • mbbrutman
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    I've notified Evan - he handles the hosting company.

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  • SomeGuy
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    I suspect the right people just need to be poked, and even then they are certainly busy people.

    Also if they rely on getting e-mail notification from any PMs about this....

    Edit: OK, no more poking needed.

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  • mbbrutman
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    Originally posted by Stone View Post
    You act surprised.

    This forum is no longer administered by a caring individual (person) but rather a cold corporation.

    C'est La Vie.
    Thanks Stone. That is inaccurate and shows you are an idiot. We are not a corporation - we are a charity. And we run entirely on volunteer effort.

    We all have day jobs. We'll all busy. People not getting email notifications is a minor nuisance at the moment - it will get dealt with when there is time.

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  • Stone
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    Originally posted by ibmapc View Post
    I would like to know why we don't get any response from the Admins on this thread. Are we being kept in the dark, or are they to busy? Does anyone really care? I feel things are still askew and nobody wants to push to make them right.
    Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
    Agreed, I feel no one is taking note of this thread.
    You act surprised.

    This forum is no longer administered by a caring individual (person) but rather a cold corporation.

    C'est La Vie.

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  • VERAULT
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    Originally posted by ibmapc View Post
    I would like to know why we don't get any response from the Admins on this thread. Are we being kept in the dark, or are they to busy? Does anyone really care? I feel things are still askew and nobody wants to push to make them right.
    Agreed, I feel no one is taking note of this thread.

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