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Can I turn off the "Last edited by" link on my posts?

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    Can I turn off the "Last edited by" link on my posts?

    I don't like it that when I do my simple edits and spell checking, that if I do it too many times, the bottom of my post will say "Last edited by ComputerDude92 at __::__AM/PM" It makes me feel uncomfortable that anyone can see my revisions and compare them. I really don't think it's their business to see it, no offence.

    #2
    Is there not a text box you can describe the edit reason with?

    Edited: Ah, okay so yes. There is a place you can give a reason for the edit. Don't feel so insecure that you had to go back and fix typos. I've had to go back three or four times on a few posts because there was a lot of spelling mistakes.
    Last edited by NeXT; April 21, 2018, 06:04 AM. Reason: Testing to see if this text box exists
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      #3
      3 or 4 times are a really short post for me. 6 or 7 times on a good size post. Life is too short to worry about such stuff. I often post incorrect information. I don't like to change the content of post so you may see me add text that I was in error. Making mistakes is part of being human.
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        #4
        Originally posted by computerdude92 View Post
        I don't like it that when I do my simple edits and spell checking, that if I do it too many times, the bottom of my post will say "Last edited by ComputerDude92 at __::__AM/PM" It makes me feel uncomfortable that anyone can see my revisions and compare them. I really don't think it's their business to see it, no offence.
        What leads you to believe that anyone (other than you and the mods) can see your revisions and compare them?
        PM me if you're looking for 3" or 5" floppy disks. EMail For everything else, Take Another Step

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          #5
          I'm not even sure that the mods can.

          That timestamp is important. It's important to know if someone altered something.
          Be polite and I may let you live.

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            #6
            Originally posted by KC9UDX View Post
            I'm not even sure that the mods can.
            They can.
            PM me if you're looking for 3" or 5" floppy disks. EMail For everything else, Take Another Step

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              #7
              If they could I don't really see why they would bother looking at previous posts.
              Thomas Byers (DRI)- "You'll have a million people using the A> [MS-DOS prompt] forever. You'll have five million using [nongraphic] menu systems such as Topview, Concurrent PC-DOS, Desq, and those types. But there'll be 50 to 100 million using the iconic-based interfaces."

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                #8
                Originally posted by computerdude92 View Post
                ... simple edits and spell checking...
                You could use the preview button.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by computerdude92 View Post
                  I don't like it that when I do my simple edits and spell checking, that if I do it too many times, the bottom of my post will say "Last edited by ComputerDude92 at __::__AM/PM" It makes me feel uncomfortable that anyone can see my revisions and compare them. I really don't think it's their business to see it, no offence.
                  well it exists because you can say something, someone quotes it, you can then go back and edit it out, and it will be recorded as being changed.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by BloodyCactus View Post
                    well it exists because you can say something, someone quotes it, you can then go back and edit it out, and it will be recorded as being changed.
                    That does not address the issue at all.

                    The OP has claimed that anyone can view his previous revisions which is not correct to begin with. Only the OP (and the mods) can view his own revisions.
                    PM me if you're looking for 3" or 5" floppy disks. EMail For everything else, Take Another Step

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Stone View Post
                      What leads you to believe that anyone (other than you and the mods) can see your revisions and compare them?
                      Because I was able to click on mine, but looking at NeXTs post, it does not let you click on it. I just didn’t understand how it works.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by computerdude92 View Post
                        Because I was able to click on mine, but looking at NeXTs post, it does not let you click on it. I just didn’t understand how it works.
                        Bingo!
                        PM me if you're looking for 3" or 5" floppy disks. EMail For everything else, Take Another Step

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                          #13
                          How come a Unregistered Guest can make posts?
                          Thomas Byers (DRI)- "You'll have a million people using the A> [MS-DOS prompt] forever. You'll have five million using [nongraphic] menu systems such as Topview, Concurrent PC-DOS, Desq, and those types. But there'll be 50 to 100 million using the iconic-based interfaces."

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Caluser2000 View Post
                            How come a Unregistered Guest can make posts?
                            This is Highly Suspicious. Looks like Russian advertising. I hit the little triangle thingy to notify the Mods.

                            Edit:
                            Looks like a moderator has deleted the offending post. Thank you MODS!! Man, that was bizarre! Any idea how that one got through?
                            Last edited by ibmapc; April 21, 2018, 07:23 PM.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Stone View Post
                              They can.
                              I don't mean to sound like one of those guys but "links please" or "pics or it didn't happen" or whatever the proper way to say this is these days..

                              I don't expect you'd be wrong, but, I've heard from several high profile VBulletin owners/mods who after someone complained that a poster posted something illegal and then edited it out, that they had no way to see previous edits, nor even user-deleted posts.

                              Now maybe it's a configuration issue, or, they just say that for security reasons, I don't know.
                              Be polite and I may let you live.

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