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    Well good news already! It has begun! We just received a $40 donation so we are 25% of the way there! Woo Hoo!

    I suppose there should be some sort of thermometer thing to measure progress. I'll just post updates here to keep everyone informed.

    In the meantime, I'll start a wiki page stub so we can fill in the details as they are known.

    Thanks and have a nice day!

    Andrew Lynch

    PS, I will keep those who donate anonymous unless they say otherwise. Once the project gets rolling we can post a list of contributors (assuming they want to be seen) on the wiki similar to how the XT-IDE project did.

    PPS, started a wiki stub page below. Feel free to edit with latest information.

    PPPS, donor #2 just came in! w00t! We are 5/16 of the way there!
    Last edited by NobodyIsHere; September 3, 2012, 07:11 AM.


      @Andrew I am willing to be a tester, I just need a Gerber file I have access to a proto milling machine.
      Oh, And go easy on the Via's.


        Originally posted by Crypticalcode0 View Post
        @Andrew I am willing to be a tester, I just need a Gerber file I have access to a proto milling machine.
        Oh, And go easy on the Via's.
        Hi! Thanks! We aren't quite ready yet since we're still hammering out some design points in the schematic. The PCB planform is more or less set although it needs final layout and then trace route optimization. It is going to be a few days at least.

        Thanks and have a nice day!

        Andrew Lynch


          Yay! We are now 7/16 of the way to some prototype boards! Woo Hoo!

          Thanks and have a nice day!

          Andrew Lynch

          PS, feel free to review the XT-FDC wiki entry. Please either make changes or send me the information.


            I volunteer for "build and test".


              Thank you!

              Andrew Lynch


                Hey Andrew, it's possible to have an emergency boot disk image on ROM in this board? A backup free dos with minimal disk utility, with an option to boot using a menu like the one in XT-IDE, this would be very handy. I think there's space to do this with a 27512, and the costs won't be in sky, just an idea, of course.


                  It's the reason i wanted a slightly bigger ROM socket and use jumpers to correct the pinout.
                  Doing this however has a slight down side.
                  ROM containing a OS should not be reprogrammed in the Board and the cost of the board increases with a few cents but more importantly It would add soldering joints some of them might be bad...


                    There's no need to use a bigger socket, take a look into this jameco part, same 28 pins of a 2764. Maybe it's possible to use two ROM versions, one simple (2764) and one with more features (27512), just thinking, I'm not good into this things.


                      A DOS 3.3 floppy image in rom? ... YES!!!
                      maybe a jumper to switch this feature on/off...
                      Imagine flashing your prefered DOS to rom and fast booting from a rom drive A. That would be great, but i think it might be a lot of work...



                        My idea is to use any free dos, due to copyright issues. You're right, the idea is to make the image on ROM became a floppy in drive A, once I've asked in this forum about doing this on regulars 2764s (to trow into that empty ROM sockets on XT clone boards), but it looked very hard to do. Maybe it will be less difficult to do in a floppy controller, since the computer knows how to boot using a floppy, we "only" need to tell that there's a disk on the A drive, and then point to the image file. Probably Chuck will tell if it could be done. Since the prototype are still into paper, I think it's a good think to ask.


                          @Lucasdaytona They are not pin compatible.


                            Originally posted by Crypticalcode0 View Post
                            @Lucasdaytona They are not pin compatible.
                            You're right, sorry for the stupid error. I think that a simple pcb could be used to build an adapter, using this we won't have connections problems. This thing is getting better, an adapter to use an OS capable ROM? How cool is that?


                              Yes I am interested


                                A adepter would only work if the 27512 pinout gets chosen.
                                I am still a fan of adding jumpers in such a case.(not for address and data lines though)